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Community #1 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:08 PM

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Participate in the next test round of the new mode for Strongholds.

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Holdes #2 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:22 PM

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War Games :).

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fighting_falcon93 #3 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:36 PM

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Yaaay more free gold for top clans :harp: :bajan: :medal:

And meanwhile average players can't even get enough gold to buy permanent camo on their tanks :D



Polski11 #4 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:37 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 20 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Yaaay more free gold for top clans :harp: :bajan: :medal:

And meanwhile average players can't even get enough gold to buy permanent camo on their tanks :D

 

How much gold will earn one member of that TOP clan? 500 gold? :ohmy::coin: sooooo much gold :trollface:

Pagon1s #5 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:41 PM

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Last time I played it, had 50k of gold and a locked account for 4 days.... :bush:

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fighting_falcon93 #6 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:45 PM

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View PostPolski11, on 20 July 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

500 gold? :ohmy::coin: sooooo much gold :trollface:

 

What's more, 500 or 0? You tell me :)



FireflyDivision #7 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:46 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 20 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Yaaay more free gold for top clans :harp: :bajan: :medal:

And meanwhile average players can't even get enough gold to buy permanent camo on their tanks :D

 

Free gold? Getting something for free means getting it without effort. I don't think that's the case here.

 

I am an average player, and I have played in alot of "yellow" and "green" clans in the past. Guess what? We earned gold and tier 10 reward tanks. It's possible for everyone. Your unwillingness to play with or in a clan is not somebody else's problem. 

 

 



fighting_falcon93 #8 Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:54 PM

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View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

Free gold? Getting something for free means getting it without effort. I don't think that's the case here.

 

In that case average players should also be able to earn gold if they put in the effort, shouldn't they? But we all know how the reward system works, only top X% gets gold and then the rest gets consumables...

 

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

It's possible for everyone.

 

Yes, I can clearly see that, the latest proof was the "great" reward system in ranked battles :great:

 

And you know what's even more funny? It's always great players that try to defend the current reward systems, I've not seen a single yellow/green player that appears to be happy that he can't even earn small amounts of gold. But it's fine, why should you on the top care about the problem if you already get the rewards, you wouldn't want to make it worse for yourself, would you? :)



Polski11 #9 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:00 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 20 July 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

What's more, 500 or 0? You tell me :)

 

Skill + Time = Reward ... no skill? u need more time and play more... no time? skill doesnt help u... so if u invest time to earn that reward/gold then 500 gold is nothing...

StinkyStonky #10 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:02 PM

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View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I am an average player, and ... 

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Yeah, OK.

 

 


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Polski11 #11 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:05 PM

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View PostStinkyStonky, on 20 July 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

Yeah, OK.

 

 

 

49-55% wr are average players... coz tomatoes and bots doesnt count :trollface:

FireflyDivision #12 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 20 July 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

Free gold? Getting something for free means getting it without effort. I don't think that's the case here.

 

In that case average players should also be able to earn gold if they put in the effort, shouldn't they? But we all know how the reward system works, only top X% gets gold and then the rest gets consumables...

 

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

It's possible for everyone.

 

Yes, I can clearly see that, the latest proof was the "great" reward system in ranked battles :great:

 

And you know what's even more funny? It's always great players that try to defend the current reward systems, I've not seen a single yellow/green player that appears to be happy that he can't even earn small amounts of gold. But it's fine, why should you on the top care about the problem if you already get the rewards, you wouldn't want to make it worse for yourself, would you? :)

First of all, gold wasn't the reward in Ranked Battles (ok I was wrong). 2nd of all: I refused to take part in Ranked Battles. However, did you see me complaining about people getting equipment for "free"? It's called a competition. Competitions are a pretty normal thing in this world and especially the gaming world. Besides, over the years there have been quite a few yellow/green players that stated they were happy (I'm not talking about ranked battles, talking about clan stuff now). It's a matter of choice, not can or can't. If you think I'm part of the top then you haven't done your research correctly. 

 

 

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View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I am an average player, and ... 

  • Personal Rating 7959

 

Yeah, OK.

 

 

 

You are literally the first person not to call me average. 7959 is nowhere near top level. But I guess I should thank you for the compliment...

 

 

 

 


Edited by FireflyDivision, 20 July 2017 - 05:27 PM.


Cobra6 #13 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:19 PM

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View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

 

You are literally the first person not to call me average. 7959 is nowhere near top level. But I guess I should thank you for the compliment...

 

Firefly is a thoroughly average bot by any definition, he is right about that! :teethhappy::girl:

 

But seriously though, there is nothing stopping anyone from getting in a better clan a part from their own personal playstyle and limitations.

 

You want rewards, practice, get better, improve and climb higher to earn them.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 20 July 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

Firefly is a thoroughly average bot by any definition, he is right about that! :teethhappy::girl:

 

 

Not sure if I should like your post for supporting me in this topic, or add you to my ignore list :P



gompie #15 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:26 PM

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hopefully it won't crash Strongholds like last time. and the time before that, and before that.

StinkyStonky #16 Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:58 PM

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View PostPolski11, on 20 July 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

 

49-55% wr are average players... 

 

45-65% wr are ALL players.

 

47-55% probably includes 90% of all players

 



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fighting_falcon93 #18 Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:09 PM

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View PostPolski11, on 20 July 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

Skill + Time = Reward ... no skill? u need more time and play more... no time? skill doesnt help u...

 

You honestly think that skill is a binary switch that is either on or off?

 

2 different unicums can have different skill levels, and 2 average players can have different skill levels. That's the thing that should be measured. Rewards should increase the more skill you have, but all players should still get the same type of rewards. That's what promotes skill based game modes and what makes players actually interested in participating. Would you participate in a game mode that you already know that you won't get anything from?

 

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

First of all, gold wasn't the reward in Ranked Battles. 

 

It wasn't?

 

Spoiler

 

No, not at all... :facepalm:

 

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

It's called a competition. Competitions are a pretty normal thing in this world and especially the gaming world.

 

So competition only exists between top players? What about the competition between 2 average players? Or is that competition worth less than the competition between two unicums?

 

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

It's a matter of choice, not can or can't.

 

The problem is that there is no choice. If you're an average player you have no chance to get any free gold anyway, so there's no point in even trying to participate. If you want to reward competition, all levels of competition should be rewarded, and what matters should be the size of the reward, not the type.

 

View PostCobra6, on 20 July 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

You want rewards, practice, get better, improve and climb higher to earn them.

 

Improving takes time and above a certain limit also talent. Let's pick something that I'm very good at and you're not very good at, how would it feel if I got all the rewards and you got nothing, even if you're actually bettee at it compated to others? In order to create competition you first need to make players interested in competing. Giving consumables to the bottom and free gold to the top is not the way to go. Gold should be rewarded to everyone, but in different amounts depending on how skilled the player is.

 


 

None of you 3 guys need to agree with me, we can sit here all day long and discuss back and forth but it won't make any difference. I've voiced my opinion by making that post, and if WG wants to increase the interest among average players I really hope they can take that suggestion into consideration. Playing decently and still not getting even a small amount of gold is not fun at all, you'd understand that if you weren't on the top...



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View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

First of all, gold wasn't the reward in Ranked Battles. 2nd of all: I refused to take part in Ranked Battles. However, did you see me complaining about people getting equipment for "free"? It's called a competition. Competitions are a pretty normal thing in this world and especially the gaming world. Besides, over the years there have been quite a few yellow/green players that stated they were happy (I'm not talking about ranked battles, talking about clan stuff now). It's a matter of choice, not can or can't. If you think I'm part of the top then you haven't done your research correctly. 

 

 

 

You are literally the first person not to call me average. 7959 is nowhere near top level. But I guess I should thank you for the compliment...

 

 

 

 

 

League I, the top 10% of the leaderboard; earn 5,750 Bonds, a “Gold, Beta Season” badge to mark their excellence, and a crate with goodies:

  • 7 days of Premium Account time
  • 2,000 Gold
  • 10 Personal Reserves for +50% credits for 2 hours

 

League II, the next 15% players; receive 3,250 Bonds and a “Silver, Beta Season” badge along with a crate, packed with:

  • 7 days of Premium Account time
  • 1,000 Gold
  • 5 Personal Reserves for +50% credits for 2 hours

League III, the next 25%; end the season with 1,500 Bonds and a “Bronze, Beta Season” badge. Their crates have:

  • 1 day of Premium Account time
  • 1 Garage slot
  • 500 Gold
  • 5 Personal Reserves for +50% credits for 2 hours

 are you sure gold wasn't the reward??

 



Norstein_Bekker #20 Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:11 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 20 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Yaaay more free gold for top clans :harp: :bajan: :medal:

And meanwhile average players can't even get enough gold to buy permanent camo on their tanks :D

 

Maybe time to git gud ?

 

Or are you implying that WG should give free golds to everyone ? :amazed:

 

I'm not sure anymore about what "competition" means :(

 

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 2 different unicums can have different skill levels, and 2 average players can have different skill levels. That's the thing that should be measured. Rewards should increase the more skill you have, but all players should still get the same type of rewards. That's what promotes skill based game modes and what makes players actually interested in participating. Would you participate in a game mode that you already know that you won't get anything from?

 

Nope.

 

*look at the state of SH now* Definitely not. As the name implies, rewards are meant to "reward" people for their performance, not for their participation. Performing implies winning. Why should you be rewarded if you only lose ? You aren't going to improve your skill and teamplay with that kind of logic, because no matter what you do, you still get rewarded.

If people play a mode because they know they'll get rewards anyway, where's the skill ? You have to play well first to get some rewards THEN the more you play well, the more rewards you get.

 

Besides, you're already rewarded for participating in Advances, it's called Ressources. 

 

It's this kind of logic that is ruining the game...


Edited by Norstein_Bekker, 20 July 2017 - 05:21 PM.





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