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STA 2 or 59 Patton?


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Poll: STA 2 Or 59 Patton? (43 members have cast votes)

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Which is better

  1. STA-2 (31 votes [72.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.09%

  2. Voted 59-Patton (12 votes [27.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.91%

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stevek34 #1 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:15 PM

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What do you think?

Velvet_Underground #2 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:17 PM

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Don't buy a tier 8 premium med, it's that simple.

WindSplitter1 #3 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:37 PM

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STA-2

 

If you need to rely on "armour", you have that negated with typical Ami bulbasaur cupolas. At least the STA-2 is honest about having none.



LaManche #4 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:52 PM

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Voted for STA-2, it's a little better.

 

I did bounce a T34, IS-7 and a full Skoda T50 clip in my 59-Patton so it does have some armor. In the end it comes down to what crew you want to train.



Alex_Connor #5 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:55 PM

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Brought the 59 Patton, not been going well.

I might just be bad at t8 meds (only recent comparison is Panther 2, which even worse), but the general consensus is that t8 mediums suck.

You are bottom tier a lot, absolutely no one is scared of your puny 240 alpha and you don't even have good dpm to win a brawl (t6 meds have good dpm, t10 meds have good dpm, wtf happened to t8?).

There is some potential though. Armour is fairly bouncy, had a few 1.5k or 2k bounced games even at t10, and 9 degrees of gun depression open up some useful spots. Just don't try and sit hull down because cupola is really weak. Also gun is getting buffed next patch to 212 pen, and with cheap ammo tank absolutely prints credits even if you aren't getting great games.

Hechaton #6 Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:03 PM

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Don't know much about the sta-2, but the 59-patton is one of the worst tier IIIX tank I know.

Edited by Hechaton, 20 July 2017 - 07:03 PM.


qpranger #7 Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:27 PM

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I would prefer world peace to either of these tanks.

jaycoool #8 Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:37 PM

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I'd go for the Patton, it's pros are superior view range for spotting and its quite bouncy when angeled correctly. The STA-2, although praised by Sir Foch as one of the better Tier VIII premiums, its more difficult to play, meaning you pay more for bad positioning.

brisha #9 Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:38 PM

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Buying a T8 in this current meta is simply not worth it. Buy the Vk45.03 if you must spend money in this POS game now.

Cobra6 #10 Posted 20 July 2017 - 08:11 PM

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With the upcoming buff to the 59-Patton (212 standard pen) I'm not so sure anymore actually.

 

For the more experienced player I'm still inclined to say STA-2.

 

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kripton69 #11 Posted 20 July 2017 - 08:15 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 20 July 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

I would prefer world peace to either of these tanks.

 

World peace isn't in fashion anymore. Nowadays it's cool to be a narcissistic, selfish [edited] who never takes others into consideration and highlights it in every turn. In 2017 it's called being "independent" and it's considered a cool thing.

 

We all know the girl who consciously wears clothes that draw a ton of attention and when someone points it out that she looks, well... easy, she is going to tell to you that she wears them for herself and noone else. And that she doesn't care what others think, despite posting new selfies on instagram all the time. It's all for herself. Or those men who start a family, then focus their career to the extent where they visit home once every 3-4 weeks, who barely know their kids by the time they are adults and who have more extramarital affairs than Tiger Woods. These are things that make you cool in 2017. Forget the world peace, it's in to be independent nowadays.

 

If someone disagrees with your approach, the best medicine is to sleep with the person's wife and then anonymously tell everyone that it happened.


Edited by kripton69, 20 July 2017 - 08:18 PM.


qpranger #12 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:23 PM

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Well that was

View Postkripton69, on 20 July 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

World peace isn't in fashion anymore. Nowadays it's cool to be a narcissistic, selfish [edited] who never takes others into consideration and highlights it in every turn. In 2017 it's called being "independent" and it's considered a cool thing.

 

We all know the girl who consciously wears clothes that draw a ton of attention and when someone points it out that she looks, well... easy, she is going to tell to you that she wears them for herself and noone else. And that she doesn't care what others think, despite posting new selfies on instagram all the time. It's all for herself. Or those men who start a family, then focus their career to the extent where they visit home once every 3-4 weeks, who barely know their kids by the time they are adults and who have more extramarital affairs than Tiger Woods. These are things that make you cool in 2017. Forget the world peace, it's in to be independent nowadays.

 

If someone disagrees with your approach, the best medicine is to sleep with the person's wife and then anonymously tell everyone that it happened.

 

And people say that I make random posts :)

kripton69 #13 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:24 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 20 July 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

Well that was

 

And people say that I make random posts :)

 

Just helping you in becoming a CC. It's easier if you do cool stuff.


Edit: Also since the average age of the WoT players is dropping, snorting glue and posting a "funny" selfie video of it in youtube is probably a good way to get votes.


Edited by kripton69, 20 July 2017 - 09:37 PM.


Hammerhead20 #14 Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:23 AM

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Simply none.

 

Tier VIII Matchmaking is completely ruined.



Dragonlordcv #15 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:10 AM

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None T8 is dead

ClassicFrog #16 Posted 21 July 2017 - 02:09 PM

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Tier 8 premium meds aren't the best choice for making credits, so if that's your reason to buy one, look somewhere else. If it's for crew training purposes though, currently STA-2 is a better choice. It's a bit more dynamic and has better gun overall, so you can be more flexible and effective on the battlefield. Also, STA-2 is considered one of the better premium tier 8 mediums overall. However 59-Patton is said to get some buffs in the future though, so it may be worth it's price as well.

LebowskiJunior1997 #17 Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:28 PM

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I'd go for the STA-2, it has 275 HEAT pen, which is more useful than 260ish apcr over distances and when meeting higher tiers. My friend owns the STA and I went for the Mutz, I'd trade it for the STA anyday of the week.

ClassicFrog #18 Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:38 PM

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View PostLebowskiJunior1997, on 21 July 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'd go for the STA-2, it has 275 HEAT pen, which is more useful than 260ish apcr over distances and when meeting higher tiers. My friend owns the STA and I went for the Mutz, I'd trade it for the STA anyday of the week.

 

59-Patton has 250mm pen HEAT as prem.

kripton69 #19 Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:21 PM

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View PostLebowskiJunior1997, on 21 July 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

I'd go for the STA-2, it has 275 HEAT pen, which is more useful than 260ish apcr over distances and when meeting higher tiers.

 

No it isn't. It's just a dumb thing people keep repeating because they only remember the shells they hit and not the ones they missed and fail to take some highly relevant factors into account. The shell speed of STA-2's HEAT is terrible which means that you're missing a ton of long range shots because the aiming mechanics of the game are what they are. The game thinks you want to shoot the end of the map when you're leading a shot, and it accordingly "adjusts" your shell flight path and "chips" it much higher than your aiming circle. There's a common myth that if you lead your shots well it doesn't matter what the shell speed is, which is wrong because of what I just said.

 

Then there's the fact that you have to lead a ridiculous amount with the shell speed of STA-2 which means in many situations(such as quick peeks) you can't even take the shot and you're always susceptible for the enemy not driving a super straight line when trying to dodge shells.

 

Now factor in that HEAT has no normalization at all, it doesn't overmatch and because of the "chipping" described above your shells land in poor angles which decreases the effective penetration even further.

 

The 260 APCR of your Mutz is much better than the 275 HEAT of STA-2.


Edited by kripton69, 21 July 2017 - 04:24 PM.


ClassicFrog #20 Posted 21 July 2017 - 05:31 PM

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View Postkripton69, on 21 July 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

 

The 260 APCR of your Mutz is much better than the 275 HEAT of STA-2.

 

On the other hand it's a god send when fighting against Sweedish TD's that would simply bounce off any AP or APCR shells fired from guns usually mounted on mediums.

Edited by ClassicFrog, 21 July 2017 - 05:33 PM.





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