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Emeraldweed #1 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:24 AM

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I think it would be fair to credit the remaining HP as damage done or assist to the closest tank that is actively spotting him or who is closest to him.  This way  they might think '' oh am not gonna give my hp for free to this noob'' and actually stay and fight?  it will both prevent and minimize the frustration for us who don't do it 

 

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tl'dr edit of the discussion

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So according to this discussion I think we all agree that: 

 

  • The remaining hp of the suicider ( drowning ) should: 

               Be credited as assistance  to the tank who last spotted him or last shot him or is currently spotting him or get shared  to the whole team.

          

  • UC reports are inefficient ( for at least this manner )

 

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As i said before, the discussion or the aim of the thread is not WHY you suicide but what should happen to the HP of the tank that the offender denies to the enemy team. 

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Edited by Emeraldweed, 26 July 2017 - 06:54 AM.


Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:27 AM

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Last guy to shoot him should get the xp, all the hp and the kill...if the player isn't spotted all the xp you could have gotten should be given to the opposing team.

 

On the other hand...a win is a win...if the enemy makes it easier for me to win without having to risk too much...so be it.



Emeraldweed #3 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 21 July 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Last guy to shoot him should get the xp, all the hp and the kill...if the player isn't spotted all the xp you could have gotten should be given to the opposing team.

 

On the other hand...a win is a win...if the enemy makes it easier for me to win without having to risk too much...so be it.

 

Dont forget about missions  moes and stuff that actually require damage done, and seeing your mission sink with that suicider is frustrating af

 

ie http://wotreplays.co...e/3673570#stats  an E100 and pzkpw Vii drowned themselves the moment i got near them. that's more than 5 k wasted ( out of my head)


Edited by Emeraldweed, 21 July 2017 - 10:35 AM.


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report them all, I do.

 

That will teach them :facepalm:



signal11th #5 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:35 AM

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I mean when you are 8 tanks down in less than 2 minutes why the hell should I waste my time because most of my team are just idiotic?  I'd rather just exit the battle and fire up a new game time is limited why waste it. Just because the round may last 15 minutes doesn't mean I have to be contractually  obliged you to give you 15 minutes of my time.

Edited by signal11th, 21 July 2017 - 10:38 AM.


Emeraldweed #6 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:37 AM

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View Postsignal11th, on 21 July 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

I mean when you are 8 tanks down in less than 2 minutes why the hell should I waste my time because most of my team are just idiotic?  I'd rather just exit the battle and fire up a new game time is limited why waste it.

 

If you want to suicide so be it, but at least this way your hp is not wasted it will be credited to someone

signal11th #7 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:39 AM

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View PostEmeraldweed, on 21 July 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

 

If you want to suicide so be it, but at least this way your hp is not wasted it will be credited to someone

 

You call it suicide I call it proper time management. As for the HP I couldn't care less what happens to it.

thestaggy #8 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:40 AM

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Drowning should count as team damage, so if they do it again then they should get banned for an hour.

 

Also, report them.

 

I've never deliberately drowned myself. I will ''camp'' and make sure I can at least shoot someone before I die or find a low hp enemy and just rush him so I can take one tank with me.


Edited by thestaggy, 21 July 2017 - 10:42 AM.


malachi6 #9 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:41 AM

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View Postsignal11th, on 21 July 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

I mean when you are 8 tanks down in less than 2 minutes why the hell should I waste my time because most of my team are just idiotic?  I'd rather just exit the battle and fire up a new game time is limited why waste it. Just because the round may last 15 minutes doesn't mean I have to be contractually  obliged you to give you 15 minutes of my time.

 

Because you read, signed and agreed to a contract saying you would not?

 

This inane comment from a person who regularly posts as to the terrible behaviour of his peers.  The irony is incredible


Edited by malachi6, 21 July 2017 - 10:44 AM.


signal11th #10 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:42 AM

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View Postthestaggy, on 21 July 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

Drowning should count as team damage, so if they do it again then they should get banned for an hour.

 

Also, report them.

 

I've never deliberately drowned myself. I will ''camp'' and make sure I can at least shoot someone before I die or find a low hp enemy and just rush him so I can take one tank with me.

 

Yet for some reason it's ok to yolo at the start of the match and lose all of your HP because you're (not you personally) an idiot and there's no "punishment" for idiocy in this game unfortunately ... og sorry yeah the reporting system.

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View Postmalachi6, on 21 July 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

 

Because you read, signed and agreed to a contract saying you would not?

 

Please show me where it says I'm obliged to give you 15 minutes of my time.

Edited by signal11th, 21 July 2017 - 10:46 AM.


ApocalypseSquad #12 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:45 AM

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I never suicide, but have no issue with people who do (when there is no hope left).  If it get's me my tank back into another game 5 minutes earlier...

FritzSpiegal #13 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:45 AM

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View Postthestaggy, on 21 July 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Drowning should count as team damage, so if they do it again then they should get banned for an hour.

 

Also, report them.

 

I've never deliberately drowned myself. I will ''camp'' and make sure I can at least shoot someone before I die or find a low hp enemy and just rush him so I can take one tank with me.

 

There are other causes of drowning thn suicide. Twice recently I have dropped to 2fps while moving only to find my tank in the water when the frame rate recovers.

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You mispronounced "arty players" so badly 

malachi6 #15 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:47 AM

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View Postsignal11th, on 21 July 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

Please show me where it says I'm obliged to give you 15 minutes of my time.

 

4.08. Any conduct that is considered by Wargaming staff as disruptive to the gaming experience of others can be sanctioned in accordance to rule 1.04. This conduct includes and is not limited to: malicious and/or intentional in-game harassment, intentional exploitation of in-game mechanics or any action that intentionally goes against or abuses the game design. The application of game restrictions will always be done to protect a positive and fun gaming environment and will be applied after careful investigation and internal deliberation.

 

Drowning comes under the category of exploiting game mechanics.  I am sure you know this.  But just for clarification



Unkel_Dolan #16 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:48 AM

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if you exit the battle your tank stays there afk, ready to be farmed for all its hp, so it's not comparable to drowning yourself

Emeraldweed #17 Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:48 AM

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Here are some facts: 

 

  • Reporting works if enough players actually report them - rarely happens and if they do  they don't choose the right option given
  • If i decided in 1 match to suicide because i got frustrated that doesnt mean that i will suicide and the next and the next and the next, so that means that all those reports are in vain 
  • If your hp doesnt matter to you that doesnt mean  it doesnt matter for the enemies who are after some missions moes or what
  • i couldnt care less the reason you suicide, its your hp that matters


Dr_ownape #18 Posted 21 July 2017 - 11:02 AM

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View Postsignal11th, on 21 July 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

I mean when you are 8 tanks down in less than 2 minutes why the hell should I waste my time because most of my team are just idiotic?  I'd rather just exit the battle and fire up a new game time is limited why waste it. Just because the round may last 15 minutes doesn't mean I have to be contractually  obliged you to give you 15 minutes of my time.

 

But do you leave your tank where it is or drown? ppl have laid into you for assuming you are drowning rather than just quiting.

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View Postmalachi6, on 21 July 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

 

4.08. Any conduct that is considered by Wargaming staff as disruptive to the gaming experience of others can be sanctioned in accordance to rule 1.04. This conduct includes and is not limited to: malicious and/or intentional in-game harassment, intentional exploitation of in-game mechanics or any action that intentionally goes against or abuses the game design. The application of game restrictions will always be done to protect a positive and fun gaming environment and will be applied after careful investigation and internal deliberation.

 

Drowning comes under the category of exploiting game mechanics.  I am sure you know this.  But just for clarification

 

doesn't actually mean anything though does it, "The application of game restrictions will always be done to protect a positive and fun gaming" Well they are failing on that completely aren't they.. Is it fun and positive that half your team are complete bell ends that can't last longer than 1 minute, is it fun or positive I have to try and farm as much as I can already knowing 2 mintues into a battle the game is lost because 60% of the team died without killing a single tank. Well frankly no so why should I waste my time doing it? Personally if someone else drowns on the other team I don't care that's one less tank I have to deal with.

 

Oh and by the way if you read any of my posts I don't actually say I do it myself personally. (DA)


Edited by signal11th, 21 July 2017 - 11:28 AM.


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View PostFritzSpiegal, on 21 July 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

 

There are other causes of drowning thn suicide. Twice recently I have dropped to 2fps while moving only to find my tank in the water when the frame rate recovers.

 

Did those happen in the same session and/or one after the other?

 

Accidental drowning happens, but rarely on a consistent basis. The player that deliberately drowns themselves is likely a repeat offender.

 

View Postsignal11th, on 21 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

Yet for some reason it's ok to yolo at the start of the match and lose all of your HP because you're (not you personally) an idiot and there's no "punishment" for idiocy in this game unfortunately ... og sorry yeah the reporting system.

 

I never said it was 'ok', but I will bite.

 

Can you prove that the yoloer done so out of spite? The person that deliberately drowns is 100% doing it out of spite, denying both his allies and enemy XP.

 

I report high-tier yoloers, especially if they are in a scout, because you should know better by tier 8+ than to rocket off aimlessly. I am aware of the difference between an active scout and suicide scout, before anyone gets excited. Active scout has a way out, suicide scout drives straight across Malinovka without deviating their course.

 

I'm one of the players that will fight until the end so you are quite frankly a bit of a bugger if you drown yourself if you are on my team because you are also denying me the opportunity to eek out a little more damage by removing your HP from our pool.


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