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Poll: Should Pz.Kpfv VII`s mantlet weakspot be removed? (49 members have cast votes)

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Should Pz.Kpfv VII`s mantlet weakspot be removed?

  1. Yes (25 votes [51.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.02%

  2. No (24 votes [48.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.98%

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Argedeava #1 Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:40 PM

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Should this be corrected?

Bucifel #2 Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:46 PM

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if they add another relevant weakpoint..then yes

but considering last patches...NO !

 

DONT REMOVE MORE WEAKPOINTS !



G01ngToxicCommand0 #3 Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:53 PM

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This is good, keep weakspot.

xx984 #4 Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:58 PM

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Yes, It should be. The PzVII already has other huge weakspots, Mainly the cheeks under the turret, and the LFP. And if you are even slightly above it the cupola is an easy pen.. 

Bucifel #5 Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:34 PM

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View Postxx984, on 23 July 2017 - 02:58 PM, said:

Yes, It should be. The PzVII already has other huge weakspots, Mainly the cheeks under the turret, and the LFP. And if you are even slightly above it the cupola is an easy pen.. 

 

LFP? :teethhappy:  for what? for...GOLD??

 

260+mm effective is a weakpoint..?

NO THX ;)

in that way yo ucan consider Type5 balanced too...because is "Weak"...for gold, of course...



250swb #6 Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:48 PM

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OP has 46% WR in Pz.Kpfw VII and wants one of the weak spots removed, it makes sense to him I suppose. But if players didn't know about the weak spots already he's just announced it in every Google search for 'Pz.VII weakspot'.

Dava_117 #7 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:00 PM

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I never noticed this weak spot before. But looking at it, it's not that big... It just help on facehugs. It should stay for me.

Edited by Dava_117, 23 July 2017 - 04:00 PM.


8126Jakobsson #8 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:01 PM

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Have not played it and barely fought one but to me it doesn't make much sense to have the mantlet as a weakspot. That should be the stronger part, no?

Cannes76 #9 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:10 PM

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Lower plate is not a weakspot. Where do you come up with such crap?

ClassicFrog #10 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:12 PM

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View PostBucifel, on 23 July 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

LFP? :teethhappy:  for what? for...GOLD??

 

260+mm effective is a weakpoint..?

NO THX ;)

in that way yo ucan consider Type5 balanced too...because is "Weak"...for gold, of course...

 

Yes, 260 effective is a weakspot. There are many tanks with enough pen to contest it frontally and enough gold flying around to pen it even when angled. And you can't angle well either, nor you can sidescrape effectively, due to the weakspots on the sides of the hull under the turret. No matter how you present yourself towards the enemy there will be a weakspot visible.

 

The mantlet weak armour is far down on the list of the problems with this tank.



Tr0gledyte #11 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:14 PM

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What mythical tank are you all talking about? I've never really seen one in game. :trollface:

Laatikkomafia #12 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:16 PM

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View PostClassicFrog, on 23 July 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

 

Yes, 260 effective is a weakspot. There are many tanks with enough pen to contest it frontally and enough gold flying around to pen it even when angled. And you can't angle well either, nor you can sidescrape effectively, due to the weakspots on the sides of the hull under the turret. No matter how you present yourself towards the enemy there will be a weakspot visible.

 

The mantlet weak armour is far down on the list of the problems with this tank.

 

290mm - 300mm when angled.

Weakspots comrade!

Tr0gledyte #13 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:18 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 July 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

290mm - 300mm when angled.

Weakspots comrade!

 

To be fair the tank is kinda crapbecause if you angle it you expose very weak side cheeks that even tier 8 will pen with standard ammo. So your only choice is to face the enemy head-on which means everyone will just pen your lower plate, possibly with gold if needed but even tier X meds have a 50/50 chance of going through with standard ammo.

 

That's probably why almost no one drives one.



ClassicFrog #14 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:22 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 July 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

290mm - 300mm when angled.

Weakspots comrade!

 

You can't angle it or you will expose the weakspots on the side.

 

Learn to read, tovarish!



ZlatanArKung #15 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:26 PM

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View PostClassicFrog, on 23 July 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

 

Yes, 260 effective is a weakspot. There are many tanks with enough pen to contest it frontally and enough gold flying around to pen it even when angled. And you can't angle well either, nor you can sidescrape effectively, due to the weakspots on the sides of the hull under the turret. No matter how you present yourself towards the enemy there will be a weakspot visible.

 

The mantlet weak armour is far down on the list of the problems with this tank.

 

The only tanks that can contest 260mm of armour without prem ammo is those with T10 levels of TD Penetration. 

So, T10 TDs and a few other T8 and T9 TDs.



JuliusCheddar #16 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:29 PM

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No, it should stay. Lower plate is not really a proper weakspot, it's just weaker than the rest. It still gives tier X guns without gold trouble. Mantlet and thingies under the turret make this armor profile balanced. It could use a DPM buff though 

Press2ForSkill #17 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:53 PM

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The problem isn't the armor, the real problem is the terrible DPM and slow speed

SilentFear #18 Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:54 PM

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View PostClassicFrog, on 23 July 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

 

You can't angle it or you will expose the weakspots on the side.

 

Learn to read, tovarish!

 

Thats why WoT maps are corridors infested whit corners. Or are you about to tell me we need one more Maus in the game ?

Also when did we started consider 260 effective flat forward - a bad armor ? Is that some sort of really bad joke ?

 

I say buff IS-7 then as well, 113 ect ect.



ClassicFrog #19 Posted 23 July 2017 - 05:32 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 23 July 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

The only tanks that can contest 260mm of armour without prem ammo is those with T10 levels of TD Penetration. 

So, T10 TDs and a few other T8 and T9 TDs.

 

And most of tier 10 and 9 heavies and meds. So yeah, MOST of the enemies you will meet.

 

 

View PostSilentFear, on 23 July 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Or are you about to tell me we need one more Maus in the game ?

 

No, but we sure don't need a super heavy tank that can not position itself at all without exposing large sized weakspots to the enemy. It can't hulldown due to rear turret and unreliable mantlet. It can't sidescrape due to idiotic bulges on the side of the hull and it can't face the enemy head on due to large lower front that gets penned m with standard ammo by most tier 10 tanks and penned with gold by almost anyone.

 

View PostSilentFear, on 23 July 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Also when did we started consider 260 effective flat forward - a bad armor ?

 

On tier 10? Since always. It's flat, and it's going to STAY flat, or you will end up getting penned by tier 8 tanks in your sides. 

 

View PostSilentFear, on 23 July 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

I say buff IS-7 then as well, 113 ect ect.

 

Yeah, no, give Pz VII the mobility of 113 and as well armoured turret as IS-7. Hell, give it the mobility of IS-7 and as well armoured turret as 113 instead. Still a good deal.

 

Edited by ClassicFrog, 23 July 2017 - 05:46 PM.


Dava_117 #20 Posted 23 July 2017 - 05:34 PM

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View PostClassicFrog, on 23 July 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

And most of tier 10 and 9 heavies and meds. So yeah, MOST of the enemies you will meet.

 

At the moment ther isn't any tier 10 HT with 260mm pen. A place where you have less than 50% chance of penning is not a weakspot...




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