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laulaur #1 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:38 PM

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I am gonna play less because lately i got only trash teams.

This looks right to you?

 

Last week i got 46% wins at almost 2k WN8 (and this because i cant do really much when all my team is composed of braindead kids)

Tell me WG, how can i have 46% winrate at 2k WN8??  HOW???

What if i would play really bad? Would i have 20% winrate or what? Even the lamest player who does absolutely nothing gets a 45%...

Maybe because i don't have premium account and i don't invest much money in the game? :sceptic:

Should i buy something from you so i can actually get some chances to win? :confused:


Edited by laulaur, 24 July 2017 - 08:39 PM.


Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:41 PM

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Just take a break. It wasn't that bad for me and i even just pressed wasd and clicked mouse buttons like a bot the last few days....

Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:43 PM

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Kemping the redline is stronk in this one, perhaps? :girl:

 

Also, maybe that marathon thing was an issue because every tomato scrubs wants to get it, causing the teams to be of lesser quality.



BKatt #4 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:49 PM

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I feel your pain OP.

 

I play the way i usually do. Mostly focused, with a fine spread of games with my head under the arm.

 

I feel like the teams has been gettin worse lately aswell.

 

It could all be in my head, but alas its a feeling i cant quite shake.



RamRaid90 #5 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:52 PM

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129 games out of 40,000 is a very very small sample size.

 

Stop worrying about yuor stats so much and you'll find they balance out naturally to your skill as a player.

 

Remember in your very small sample size, the difference between 45% and 53% is little more than 8/9 games. Games you obviously didnt carry as well as you normally do.

 

In fact, if during that sample size, you have won 5 extra games, you would have a 52% win rate over the same period...Small samples man...


Edited by RamRaid90, 24 July 2017 - 08:54 PM.


Suurpolskija #6 Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:56 PM

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Those streaks can happen.

 

Not long ago I finished a week with ~39% wins and ~2000wn8 to show for it.

 

Random is random - sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not.

 

You can always try to stick to tanks that you can most reliably carry or make a real impact in most games.



CmdRatScabies #7 Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:14 PM

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I've had a similar experience the last week - win rates at 40% day after day.  In my case I suspect it's partly because I've been playing tier Swedish TDs - lots of damage but not always the best damage when it matters to help the team win.  We don't get a XVM win chance anymore but I seem to have been getting a lot of games with not so good players as well.  So campy TDs + bad teams = abysmal win rate.

Element6_TheSprout #8 Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:21 PM

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OP, you should expect such things with your battlecount. Nobody is working against you, it is randomness that work this way. Randomness is not evenly distributed, it clusters, just like the universe clusters into stars and planets, who in turn cluster into solar system, who in turn cluster into galaxies, who in turn cluster into galactic hoops, who in turn cluster into superhoops.

Now, people will probably say that it is not randomness alone, it is also player skill. Yes, that is true, but your skill is "only" enough to make you win 3.4 battles more, per 100 battles, than a 50% WR player. What this says is that your skill only impacts your WR slightly, it is not governed by it. For all intents and purposes the remaining battles are full of randomness for you as an individual player.

 

If you play long enough, several hundred thousands of battles, I am quite positive you will eventually experience a 15 battle consecutive loss streak, or a win streak. Only randomness can tell. 



HunterXHunter8 #9 Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:35 PM

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its mm, it tries it's best to keep you at 50% overall  winrate. your overall winrate can still go higher or lower

 

that's why when you start losing a lot, it will eventually stop and start putting you on good teams. 

 

reason for this it prevents less skilled players from getting farmed 24/7, in a typical  pvp games top skilled players dominate and see as crappy players as food. crappy players eventually get tired of losing(come on who likes losing all the time), leave and this causes the game population to dwindle. cycle continues until the game is literally dead. 

 

wg were in-genius as they saw this problem, that's why this game has rng and mm designed so that even crappy players can win some games despite being bad. so a tomato might only win 4 games out of 10, but he/she will atleast do decent performance in one of those 4 games. this positively enforces their mindset to continue playing the game. 



Synopsis0 #10 Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:56 PM

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Beacouse you play with a bunch of braindead who doaesnt have minimap and heavys hiding instead of using armor.They are idiots who think if they stay behind a building and they didnt help they will win.A bunch of monkey shitheads players who cant understand a 15 vs 15 tactical game.Nobody want to take damage and when you push a flank they just watching how you die instead of help , they are glad that didnt shoot them and after 1 shoot they hide back.Flanks doesnt exist anymore in this game and in tier 10 you end with battles in 3 min , in the past in tier 10 games last 15 min and sometimes the end was draw, nowadays even who has tier 10 its a retard with no skill.I saw players with 50k battles and 3k personal rating , i think this players are braindeads.

Edited by Synopsis0, 24 July 2017 - 10:04 PM.


Element6_TheSprout #11 Posted 24 July 2017 - 10:37 PM

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View PostHunterXHunter8, on 24 July 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

its mm, it tries it's best to keep you at 50% overall  winrate. your overall winrate can still go higher or lower

 

that's why when you start losing a lot, it will eventually stop and start putting you on good teams. 

 

reason for this it prevents less skilled players from getting farmed 24/7, in a typical  pvp games top skilled players dominate and see as crappy players as food. crappy players eventually get tired of losing(come on who likes losing all the time), leave and this causes the game population to dwindle. cycle continues until the game is literally dead. 

 

wg were in-genius as they saw this problem, that's why this game has rng and mm designed so that even crappy players can win some games despite being bad. so a tomato might only win 4 games out of 10, but he/she will atleast do decent performance in one of those 4 games. this positively enforces their mindset to continue playing the game. 

Dude, it was unwise to take the blue pill...

 

View PostSynopsis0, on 24 July 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

Beacouse you play with a bunch of braindead who doaesnt have minimap and heavys hiding instead of using armor.They are idiots who think if they stay behind a building and they didnt help they will win.A bunch of monkey shitheads players who cant understand a 15 vs 15 tactical game.Nobody want to take damage and when you push a flank they just watching how you die instead of help , they are glad that didnt shoot them and after 1 shoot they hide back.Flanks doesnt exist anymore in this game and in tier 10 you end with battles in 3 min , in the past in tier 10 games last 15 min and sometimes the end was draw, nowadays even who has tier 10 its a retard with no skill.I saw players with 50k battles and 3k personal rating , i think this players are braindeads.

Let's say that I was a super unicum and I was in your team. Let's assume that I engage an enemy tank and I shoot him where I am most likely to penetrate and deal damage, but at that moment RNG low rolls on me so that I bounce. Ok, things like that can happen, so I try again, only this time the accuracy RNG sends my shell to the thickest part of the enemy tank's armor, so that too bounce and deal no damage. Suddenly there comes another enemy tank behind the one I am shooting at, and he shoots at me without aiming and even before his tank stops, and he detonates my ammorack.

 

Since you do not have XVM, you have no idea about my WR, my WN8 or any other stats I have, you only see me as a white nickname in the list. 

 

Isn't it very easy to think about me, after I died, "What an incompetent player he must be..."?

 

You do not know what I tried to aim for, you only know that I have shot my gun, so you can't in any way estimate that I am good, but was just unlucky, except for the ammorack. Also, you cannot see the RNG that I get, all you see is that I fire 2 shells that both fail to do damage.

 

You can't know if people are idiots or simply unlucky with that kind of limited information, so how can you make claims of the intelligence of the players you meet? Simple answer is, you can't. 

 

 



laulaur #12 Posted 24 July 2017 - 11:31 PM

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View PostSuurpolskija, on 24 July 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Those streaks can happen.

 

Not long ago I finished a week with ~39% wins and ~2000wn8 to show for it.

 

Random is random - sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not.

 

You can always try to stick to tanks that you can most reliably carry or make a real impact in most games.

 

Indeed i played for X2 some really bad tanks lately. Like A-44 (that tank is a piece of [edited] ) and the british tier 7 arty. When you have a crappy tank and a +2 tier MM you cant do pretty much...

 

View PostHunterXHunter8, on 24 July 2017 - 08:35 PM, said:

its mm, it tries it's best to keep you at 50% overall  winrate. your overall winrate can still go higher or lower

 

that's why when you start losing a lot, it will eventually stop and start putting you on good teams. 

 

reason for this it prevents less skilled players from getting farmed 24/7, in a typical  pvp games top skilled players dominate and see as crappy players as food. crappy players eventually get tired of losing(come on who likes losing all the time), leave and this causes the game population to dwindle. cycle continues until the game is literally dead. 

 

wg were in-genius as they saw this problem, that's why this game has rng and mm designed so that even crappy players can win some games despite being bad. so a tomato might only win 4 games out of 10, but he/she will atleast do decent performance in one of those 4 games. this positively enforces their mindset to continue playing the game. 

 

Many people would say that this is some crazy conspiracy theory, but it is really hard go go under 40% and over 60%.

Look at this guy, no name because of the no shaming rule:

See? This guy can get a 43% winrate with 227 WN8 - and i get 46% with 1981 WN8.... Looks legit.

And some people get 39% winrate lately with 2052 WN8 (see the screenshot below)

 

View PostSynopsis0, on 24 July 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

Beacouse you play with a bunch of braindead who doaesnt have minimap and heavys hiding instead of using armor.They are idiots who think if they stay behind a building and they didnt help they will win.A bunch of monkey shitheads players who cant understand a 15 vs 15 tactical game.Nobody want to take damage and when you push a flank they just watching how you die instead of help , they are glad that didnt shoot them and after 1 shoot they hide back.Flanks doesnt exist anymore in this game and in tier 10 you end with battles in 3 min , in the past in tier 10 games last 15 min and sometimes the end was draw, nowadays even who has tier 10 its a retard with no skill.I saw players with 50k battles and 3k personal rating , i think this players are braindeads.

 

Yep, 6 years after release the player base is even worse. Instead of skill to improve overall, it looks like are even more bad players lately...

 

View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 24 July 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

Dude, it was unwise to take the blue pill...

 

Let's say that I was a super unicum and I was in your team. Let's assume that I engage an enemy tank and I shoot him where I am most likely to penetrate and deal damage, but at that moment RNG low rolls on me so that I bounce. Ok, things like that can happen, so I try again, only this time the accuracy RNG sends my shell to the thickest part of the enemy tank's armor, so that too bounce and deal no damage. Suddenly there comes another enemy tank behind the one I am shooting at, and he shoots at me without aiming and even before his tank stops, and he detonates my ammorack.

 

Since you do not have XVM, you have no idea about my WR, my WN8 or any other stats I have, you only see me as a white nickname in the list. 

 

Isn't it very easy to think about me, after I died, "What an incompetent player he must be..."?

 

You do not know what I tried to aim for, you only know that I have shot my gun, so you can't in any way estimate that I am good, but was just unlucky, except for the ammorack. Also, you cannot see the RNG that I get, all you see is that I fire 2 shells that both fail to do damage.

 

You can't know if people are idiots or simply unlucky with that kind of limited information, so how can you make claims of the intelligence of the players you meet? Simple answer is, you can't. 

 

 

 

Hmm, i dont know what are you trying to say with that XVM example.. I use it and it really dont brings much hope, it brings more negativity. Like when the match starts and you see that your team is composed of 5 yo kids and the enemy are ProLeague players, and you are like: '' Well, i am [edited] ''

And i did not see many decent players dead in first minute with 0 damage, but this happens a lot to the red ones, those who plays ''just for fun''

 

Also, how did you liked the game lately? In last week you are in the same situation as me :D

You actually played better than usual, but got a abysmal winrate. Because reasons... :trollface:

2052 WN8 and 37% win :amazed:

 

P.S.: This is not shaming, i am just amazed that someone else got even worse ''luck'' than me. Also i feel sorry for you, actually improving your game but getting [edited] by the MM ''luck''

        But if you are not ok with me posting your recent stats just say it, and i will delete the picture.

 

 


Edited by laulaur, 24 July 2017 - 11:35 PM.


CoDiGGo #13 Posted 24 July 2017 - 11:32 PM

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More rigged than online casino

Mosjmosh #14 Posted 24 July 2017 - 11:50 PM

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The playstyles differentiating between getting <good wn8> and getting <good wn8 and good win %> are well... different. Just saying :bush:

 

I have no clue how you play your games, but everybody got worse and better streaks throughout their "career" as a tanker.
Also, the sample size is quite small.


Edited by Mosjmosh, 24 July 2017 - 11:56 PM.


Nexuo #15 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:16 AM

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Whenever there is a marathon there seems to be soo much more players that isn't just bad, but at a ridiculous level of stupid....and not all of them are bots.

 

And it doesn't help to improve my own game when i'm pissed off from the previous game and the stupidity i witnessed in it.



Hedgehog1963 #16 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:19 AM

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Maybe you deserved to lose.

laulaur #17 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:30 AM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 24 July 2017 - 11:19 PM, said:

Maybe you deserved to lose.

 

Care to enlighten us what do you mean by '' deserved'' ?

I am a naughty boy or what? Maybe because i drink beer and go to sleep very late? Or what?:amazed:



Hedgehog1963 #18 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:33 AM

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View Postlaulaur, on 24 July 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

Care to enlighten us what do you mean by '' deserved'' ?

I am a naughty boy or what? Maybe because i drink beer and go to sleep very late? Or what?:amazed:

 

Deserved as in: "Played less well than the players on the teams that beat you." 

 

Seems like the concept never crossed your mind.


Edited by Hedgehog1963, 25 July 2017 - 12:34 AM.


laulaur #19 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:42 AM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 24 July 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

 

Deserved as in: "Played less well than the players on the teams that beat you." 

 

Seems like the concept never crossed your mind.

 



OreH75 #20 Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:46 AM

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View Postlaulaur, on 24 July 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

but it is really hard go go under 40% and over 60%.

 

Do you think that playing 15 vs 15 might have something to do with that? I bet if it was 1 vs 1 a LOT of people would get below 40% winrates...and very good players would get way above 60%...but because of 14 randomly chosen teammates 99.9% of players ends up in the 40-60% range... wouldn't surprise me if there was a mathematical explanation for this as well...




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