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[fanta_freake]

I would like to know what you think about the Amx 50 Foch 155. 

The past few days i have seen some topics about it, and i would like to see what all of you think.

 

 

[Dropman12]

Overnerfed. Need to be said that it needed nerf, but probably not that much. Some kind of buff is needed and AFAIK Foch gonna be rebalanced.

[cro001]

It falls down in broken gimmick tank category. Same as WTE-100.

[laulaur]

This tank was OP when it was released in game.

But then they just overnerfed it, now is a piece of [edited] that feels so old and average compared to the recent introduced tanks like the new lights and swedish TD's.

Who needs an autoloader turetless TD that excels at nothing when you have alternatives like Krankwagen, T57 ,  AMX50B, STRV, E4....

[Cobra6]

They should have never nerfed the Foch155 in 3 departments at once. Competent devs would have tweaked one factor, looked a the result and then if needed tweaked more factors.

 

During the nerf they:

-Removed 200 horsepower from the engine crippling the mobility

-Nerfed the alpha from 850 to 750

-Decreased gun handling

-Added much bigger weakspots to the armour

 

All of these factors combined utterly crippled the Foch155 and pretty much made it worthless overnight.

 

In combination with the general TD alpha nerf (850=>750) they should have nerfed one other factor of this machine and looked at the result for a while. Not everything at once.

 

Cobra 6

[fanta_freake]

I agree. They destroyed it. It needed a nerf, but they could atleast compensate with rld/dpm. 

 

[Geno1isme]

Wel, it's supposed to be completely rebalanced with a 120mm autoloader in 9.20, so poll is kinda pointless.

[Cobra6]

Geno1isme, on 25 July 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Wel, it's supposed to be completely rebalanced with a 120mm autoloader in 9.20, so poll is kinda pointless.

 

Unless they buff the mobility and/or armour to compensate it will be even less useful.

 

The 120mm has less pen (40mm/50mm) for some reason.

 

Cobra 6

[Sir_Bad]

Cobra6, on 25 July 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

The 120mm has less pen (40mm/50mm) for some reason.

 

Come on, you know exactly for what reason.

 

But seriously. In the state the game is right now, I doubt that the pre-nerf Foch would be that overpowered compared to some other "balanced" machines driving around currently.

[Cobra6]

Sir_Bad, on 25 July 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Come on, you know exactly for what reason.

 

But seriously. In the state the game is right now, I doubt that the pre-nerf Foch would be that overpowered compared to some other "balanced" machines driving around currently.

 

Yeah to shoot more gold-ammo to remain competitive and to protect tomatos in their over-buffed heavies from harm. I know the reason but that doesn't mean it's a good or valid reason

The un-nerfed Foch155 would probably just be competitive in the current game meta.

 

Cobra 6

[commer]

Foch nerf did more than nerf hp and alpha. Bigger weakspots, overmatchable sides, worse gun handing and then the meta changed so it was screwed even more.

[leggasiini]

I dont think the Foch with old stats would be still balanced even in current meta. I guess we are forgetting how terrifying the 850 x 3 actually was. It was much faster and had lot stronger armor too. Corridor meta wouldnt hurt it anyways too much, because it was never a good sniper. It actually could play as stupidly strong assault TD, because no one wants to get killed from full HP in 10 seconds.

 

I wouldnt mind if they brought back all of the pre-nerf stats but kept the alpha as 750. 750 x 3 is still extremely hard to balance tho so I like the approach of 120mm, though I would take 1 shell away from clip and buff pen to 270 / 340.

 

Object 268 on other hand would actually not be OP at all you took the old pre-nerf stats, because big part of its success was the fact the maps favored it in 2013. Unlike Foch, which became immediately trash after nerf, 268 was considered as "meh" but still okay tank; however, it eventually became trash after they changed the maps, where 268 suffers alot. I dont think the 268 meganerfs were even reasonable because the map changes would have made it lot less powerful, anyways.

 

Gun arc and velocity buffs that 268 is getting are great news, but I would still buff something else (either aim time to 2.1-2.3 + depression to -7, or alpha back to 850 with reload nerf so it doesnt get boosted DPM but still has higher alpha to keep the theme of the line).

 

 

[Scabolcz]

You are all playing it wrong... You go full HE on it 

[Cobra6]

leggasiini, on 25 July 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

 It actually could play as stupidly strong assault TD, because no one wants to get killed from full HP in 10 seconds.

 

All my stats in it are pretty much from before the nerf (played it maybe 20 battle since the nerf) and in all those battles I only managed to fully clip a Maus once, it was glorious though and I still had to aim for the LFP, but he was driving straight at me.

 

Cobra 6

[DuncaN_101]

Same here after the nerf the thing became very annoying to play and there for not worth the credits.

I never one clipped a maus.. Came close once but left him on a 100 odd hp my platoon mate finished him tho... Always fun having a T10 med as your personal bodyguard

[imendars]

Cobra6, on 25 July 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

Yeah to shoot more gold-ammo to remain competitive and to protect tomatos in their over-buffed heavies from harm. I know the reason but that doesn't mean it's a good or valid reason

The un-nerfed Foch155 would probably just be competitive in the current game meta.

 

Cobra 6

 

It have more bullets in magazine and it shoots them faster. In result its possible to track enemy and keep him tracked.

From what i read this is how i understand it. And some other stats are being improved.

[imendars]

Cobra6, on 25 July 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

All my stats in it are pretty much from before the nerf (played it maybe 20 battle since the nerf) and in all those battles I only managed to fully clip a Maus once, it was glorious though and I still had to aim for the LFP, but he was driving straight at me.

 

Cobra 6

 

Did he rage after? As i understand back them global chat was on, right?

[DuncaN_101]

See it first then I'll believe it
It is WG after all

[Beltalowda]

As always they overbuff a tank and then nerf it to oblivion, there is no middle ground with WG. They know what they are doing, they just don't care that's all. There will never be a proper balance in this game, either get used to it or just forget about this pile of shajt and move to a different game.