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GekkoGordon #1 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:46 AM

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This is a double edged sword. The buffs are so big that these tanks will powercreep standard heavies, and will be on par with the new Premiums.

 

End result? We will have HTs who cant pen MTs and MTs who cant pen HTs. What do we do then? Spam gold. Brilliant plan WG, making the game less free indirectly. Truly a great business mindset here. They sure do have some good strategists working for them. 



Homer_J #2 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:49 AM

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View PostGekkoGordon, on 26 July 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

 

End result?  

 

We will have three dozen threads about the same thing.



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Said this before and I'll say it again: Calm yourself, there's no proof (yet) that these changes are coming on live in their current form.

GekkoGordon #4 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:54 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 26 July 2017 - 02:49 AM, said:

 

We will have three dozen threads about the same thing.

 

I made the thread on purpose, in the FV4202 thread no one would read it.
 

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View Postlafeel, on 26 July 2017 - 02:53 AM, said:

Said this before and I'll say it again: Calm yourself, there's no proof (yet) that these changes are coming on live in their current form.

 

The last time i said to my self "be calm", Defender was on Supertest in its current form.
 

Homer_J #5 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:57 AM

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View PostGekkoGordon, on 26 July 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

 

I made the thread on purpose, in the FV4202 thread no one would read it.

 

So the official 9.20 rebalance thread no good, or this one basically saying the same as you, or .......

GekkoGordon #6 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:59 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 26 July 2017 - 02:57 AM, said:

 

So the official 9.20 rebalance thread no good, or this one basically saying the same as you, or .......

 

I don't read the Announcements forum and the 2nd link is literally the FV4202 thread i already mentioned.

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View PostGekkoGordon, on 26 July 2017 - 01:59 AM, said:

 

I don't read the Announcements forum 

 

There are three threads on the first page of active topics (not counting this spam).

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people spam gold any way so I may as well have move armour

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View PostGekkoGordon, on 26 July 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

End result? We will have HTs who cant pen MTs and MTs who cant pen HTs. What do we do then? Spam gold. Brilliant plan WG, making the game less free indirectly. Truly a great business mindset here. They sure do have some good strategists working for them. 

 

 

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is irrelevant. You suck!

WG: OK, we'll buff armour.

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is too good.You suck!



xx984 #10 Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:22 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 26 July 2017 - 01:18 AM, said:

 

 

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is irrelevant. You suck!

WG: OK, we'll buff armour.

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is too good.You suck!

 

This, Okay maybe some things WG have done has been abit weird and ridiculous but as i said in a previous thread no one is ever satisfied, People say the British tanks dont get any love WG announces buffs to British meds, community complains. People complain about premium tanks being underwhelming in alot of cases, WG starts to introduce more powerful premiums, Everyone complains (Defender i can understand, and to an extent Chrysler), there are countless examples, My point is whenever WarGaming make an attempt to listen to the community they just get sh** on for it. its a lose lose situation for them.

Edited by xx984, 26 July 2017 - 02:23 AM.


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View Postxx984, on 26 July 2017 - 02:22 AM, said:

 

This, Okay maybe some things WG have done has been abit weird and ridiculous but as i said in a previous thread no one is ever satisfied, People say the British tanks dont get any love WG announces buffs to British meds, community complains. People complain about premium tanks being underwhelming in alot of cases, WG starts to introduce more powerful premiums, Everyone complains (Defender i can understand, and to an extent Chrysler), there are countless examples, My point is whenever WarGaming make an attempt to listen to the community they just get sh** on for it. its a lose lose situation for them.

 

At least they have the right attitude of not caring too much about it. :)

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 26 July 2017 - 02:18 AM, said:

 

 

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is irrelevant. You suck!

WG: OK, we'll buff armour.

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is too good.You suck!

 

It is the millennial mind set,Their not happy unless they are moaning about something.

Hiisi #13 Posted 26 July 2017 - 05:35 AM

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Russian mediums have always been well armored, also thay are small. I dont understand why people are wining when the largest mediums get some turret armor (centurions and pattons). Why big mediums should be class cannons and heavies should have all the armor and mobility? People get what they wine for. 

 

Hard to say, but i like these changes atleast on the paper, lets see how they work.


Edited by Hiisi, 26 July 2017 - 05:36 AM.


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Agree with Hiisi, this is good for the game. In current state, all you see i the same tanks over and over.



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View PostHiisi, on 26 July 2017 - 04:35 AM, said:

Russian mediums have always been well armored, also thay are small. I dont understand why people are wining when the largest mediums get some turret armor (centurions and pattons). Why big mediums should be class cannons and heavies should have all the armor and mobility? People get what they wine for. 

 

Hard to say, but i like these changes atleast on the paper, lets see how they work.

Because they don't need buff.



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 26 July 2017 - 02:18 AM, said:

 

 

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is irrelevant. You suck!

WG: OK, we'll buff armour.

Community: Waaaaaaah! Armour is too good.You suck!

 

Because they are addressing it the wrong way.

 

Community: Waaaaah! Armour is irrelevant. You suck!

WG: OK, we'll rebalance premium ammo.

Community: Waaaaah! Armour is too good. You suck!

WG: OK, we will be address the armour profiles of heavies and make weakspots a thing again.

 

They have no idea what they are doing in terms of balance. They're trapped in an arms race now - premium ammo vs uber-armour - and we know how those turn out, everything goes tits-up eventually. Proof of the later is already evident on ST as every medium is becoming a hulldown beast, which is simply stupid.


Edited by thestaggy, 26 July 2017 - 07:10 AM.


Uebergewicht #17 Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:21 AM

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While I´m certainly not against buffs of the British Mediums, I do think 223m upper plate on a tier 8 medium is pretty ridicolous. That is Löwe levels of frontal armor. Could they not have found another way to buff these tanks?

 

 

On the one hand, I´m glad WG is rebalancing a lot of tanks. But adding armor to all of them seems really weird, including the Russian meds. While I definitely want armor to be relevant, it should be so on the tanks that have to rely on it the most, which are not medium tanks. And turning every last tank into a hulldown ridgeline sniper seems kinda boring, too. 

 

It´s not so much a thing of "The community whines no matter what WG does". Its a thing of "Whatever WG does, they twist it in a way to miss the original point". For example, I´ve read lots of praise on the forums regarding tier 10 lights in their second test interation. People liked that... then WG nerfed them all hard, and people were understandably upset.

 

Regarding "calm down its only supertest": Yeah, not really... I cannot recall a single major change between ST and live apart from the light tank nerf in recent memory. Maus changes were blatantly OP, nothing was changed. Derp Guns on the Types were criticized, nothing changed. Defender got introduced... they buffed its radio range ~~  So, might as well complain right now.



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View PostUebergewicht, on 26 July 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

While I´m certainly not against buffs of the British Mediums, I do think 223m upper plate on a tier 8 medium is pretty ridicolous.

 

It is about time those British mediums got one redeeming feature like this.

I would have preferred higher DPM, but I will take the armour buff.



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View Postxx984, on 26 July 2017 - 02:22 AM, said:

 

This, Okay maybe some things WG have done has been abit weird and ridiculous but as i said in a previous thread no one is ever satisfied, People say the British tanks dont get any love WG announces buffs to British meds, community complains. People complain about premium tanks being underwhelming in alot of cases, WG starts to introduce more powerful premiums, Everyone complains (Defender i can understand, and to an extent Chrysler), there are countless examples, My point is whenever WarGaming make an attempt to listen to the community they just get sh** on for it. its a lose lose situation for them.

 

Developments that were not asked by EU server playerbase, even we were strongly opposed to them:

 

We told WG 8.6 ac buff was a mistake (but russian playerbase asked for that, you know why: the former kv1s should be able to snipe).

Same with high tier arties.

Then began the ultraccurate tds, meds and heavies.

This brought us to the corridor meta => usage of gold against heavies.

And heavies needed more armor => armor overbuffs.

Arty changes (machineguns of doom against lightly armored tanks, splashes, critical machines), 3 limit.

And then came new MM that destroyed every bit of balance (-2MM 80% or full tier 10 battles 80% of the time).

And then came bonds system and enhanced equipment.

Dont forget about OP premium tanks.

 

Yes, WG listen to the playerbase, yes.... :facepalm:


Edited by Akathis, 26 July 2017 - 08:46 AM.


ZlatanArKung #20 Posted 26 July 2017 - 08:40 AM

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I am positive to the buffs of T8 tanks that are not new premium tanks.




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