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NaGaRRa #1 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:19 PM

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It's just impossible. Imagine you are trying to grind your 2nd or 3rd mark of excellence on your favorite *Edited machine (SPG), everything is going good for a few games, you climbed with 2-3% for about 7-8 games, nothing can stop you, the mark is in your grasp and then... BOOM... There it is - Kharkov, Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Stalingrad, Ruinberg or whatever torment RNGissus has decided to inflict upon your miserable existence. You swear, you panic, you rage but you get a hold of your self, you can do it! You load an AP roun.... *Edited wrong patch. Ah, but don't worry, your tomato garden.. I mean "team" can win the battle, not like they are gonna lemming train on one side of the map and leave you in the hand of the enemy scouts. Even if they do you can oneshot them, right? No? Well you are *Edited. There goes 1.5-2% of your mark. Good luck next time, oh wait here have some Winter Himmelsdorf, Paris and Winterberg that you missed.

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Suurpolskija #2 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:21 PM

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It's the same to other arty players so it wouldn't make the mark grinding any easier.

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View PostNaGaRRa, on 26 July 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

It's just impossible. Imagine you are trying to grind your 2nd or 3rd mark of excellence on your favorite Cancer making machine (SPG), everything is going good for a few games, you climbed with 2-3% for about 7-8 games, nothing can stop you, the mark is in your grasp and then... BOOM... There it is - Kharkov, Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Stalingrad, Ruinberg or whatever torment RNGissus has decided to inflict upon your miserable existence. You swear, you panic, you rage but you get a hold of your self, you can do it! You load an AP roun.... sh*t wrong patch. Ah, but don't worry, your tomato garden.. I mean "team" can win the battle, not like they are gonna lemming train on one side of the map and leave you in the hand of the enemy scouts. Even if they do you can oneshot them, right? No? Well you are f*cked. There goes 1.5-2% of your mark. Good luck next time, oh wait here have some Winter Himmelsdorf and Winterberg that you missed.

 

MoE are relative to other players so how would this help?

Aikl #4 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:22 PM

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With Wargaming indirectly acknowledging that too much arty is not good for gameplay, I can't really see how they would make it more pleasant to play while also increasing the amount of arty on open maps.

 

You also forget that everybody that plays arty gets city maps, so removing these maps from rotation for arty would make the requirements higher. In effect it solves nothing.



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I actually agree. No reason for them to be there. Not a big issue, but I see no reason not to change it.

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It's not a pro arty post....

 

"on your favorite Edited making machine (SPG), "

 

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View PostBlind_Hate, on 26 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

I actually agree. No reason for them to be there. Not a big issue, but I see no reason not to change it.

 

Because artillery is by and large the most broken and useless class in the game at the same time.

 

We need LESS arty on open maps, not more. If you want my opinion, artillery players should ONLY be allowed to play on Himmelsdorf and Stalingrad.



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View PostSuurpolskija, on 26 July 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

It's the same to other arty players so it wouldn't make the mark grinding any easier.

 

​It's not all about the MoE, it's also about the frustration, City maps are the worst thing that can happen to you as and SPG player, you're not Useful in any way to your team or yourself

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View PostRamRaid90, on 26 July 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Because artillery is by and large the most broken and useless class in the game at the same time.

 

We need LESS arty on open maps, not more. If you want my opinion, artillery players should ONLY be allowed to play on Himmelsdorf and Stalingrad.

 

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View Postjabster, on 26 July 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

 

MoE are relative to other players so how would this help?

To some, not all.



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View Postjabster, on 26 July 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Who's these we you speak of?

 

You're not new to forums, you should know. 

Sirebellus #12 Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:42 PM

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The worst of all I find is Paris... 75% of the map is unreachable by Arty

I don't have a problem with Ruinberg or Winterberg, they are both okay for SPG in my view, Kharkov isn't too bad and Stalingrad is okay because the buildings are low ruins, Ensk is crap for everyone not just SPG

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View PostAikl, on 26 July 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

With Wargaming indirectly acknowledging that too much arty is not good for gameplay, I can't really see how they would make it more pleasant to play while also increasing the amount of arty on open maps.

 

You also forget that everybody that plays arty gets city maps, so removing these maps from rotation for arty would make the requirements higher. In effect it solves nothing.

 

​I did not say the there needs to me more SPGs on open maps, I simply stating that SPG on City maps are useless, they can not Influence or change in any way the outcome of the battle
 

View PostSaintMaddenus, on 26 July 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

It's not a pro arty post....

 

"on your favorite Cancer making machine (SPG), "

 

​So, only Pro players should post here? We peasants have no rights?
 

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View PostSfinski, on 26 July 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

You're not new to forums, you should know. 

 

As far as I can tell we, and the community, are defined as the same thing. Players who agree with me.

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View PostSirebellus, on 26 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

The worst of all I find is Paris... 75% of the map is unreachable by Arty

I don't have a problem with Ruinberg or Winterberg, they are both okay for SPG in my view, Kharkov isn't too bad and Stalingrad is okay because the buildings are low ruins, Ensk is crap for everyone not just SPG

 

​You haven't played Obj. 261, have you? :teethhappy:

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Then also please make it so my heavy tanks cant see open maps, My mediums and lights and TD's are always on good maps for them as well. :great: If arty were to get special map MM then other classes should get it as well.

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View PostNaGaRRa, on 26 July 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

It's just impossible. Imagine you are trying to grind your 2nd or 3rd mark of excellence on your favorite Cancer making machine (SPG), everything is going good for a few games, you climbed with 2-3% for about 7-8 games, nothing can stop you, the mark is in your grasp and then... BOOM... There it is - Kharkov, Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Stalingrad, Ruinberg or whatever torment RNGissus has decided to inflict upon your miserable existence. You swear, you panic, you rage but you get a hold of your self, you can do it! You load an AP roun.... sh*t wrong patch. Ah, but don't worry, your tomato garden.. I mean "team" can win the battle, not like they are gonna lemming train on one side of the map and leave you in the hand of the enemy scouts. Even if they do you can oneshot them, right? No? Well you are f*cked. There goes 1.5-2% of your mark. Good luck next time, oh wait here have some Winter Himmelsdorf, Paris and Winterberg that you missed.

 

Another selfish <insert crude name for a female body part>  

 

 



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Hah! And I don't want those big open maps with multiple arties with my super heavy tanks. Or otherwise an option not to be in battles with arties.

That's a deal!:great:

 

But get serious, All tanks see all maps, whether you like it or not. If Wargaming would change that, it would be really the start of the end.



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View PostNaGaRRa, on 26 July 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

View PostAikl, on 26 July 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

With Wargaming indirectly acknowledging that too much arty is not good for gameplay, I can't really see how they would make it more pleasant to play while also increasing the amount of arty on open maps.

 

You also forget that everybody that plays arty gets city maps, so removing these maps from rotation for arty would make the requirements higher. In effect it solves nothing.

 

​I did not say the there needs to me more SPGs on open maps, I simply stating that SPG on City maps are useless, they can not Influence or change in any way the outcome of the battle

 

Following that logic, you either need to remove city maps for everyone or simply limit the amount of artillery players. :great:



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View Postxx984, on 26 July 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

Then also please make it so my heavy tanks cant see open maps, My mediums and lights and TD's are always on good maps for them as well. :great: If arty were to get special map MM then other classes should get it as well.

 

As I see it mate you have no experience or knowledge of the role of the SPG in the game. The SPG has a Support purpose. I a City map that role is gone, you have no options you can even self-defend yourself. You got 5 times less HP then a MT, reload 5 to 10 times slower, your aim circle is the size of the moon. And I have to admit. Yes Playing as a Maus or Type 5 Heavy on a map like Prokhorovka or Malinovka is a Edited experience for many players, and maybe it needs to change. But you have to admit 1 or 2 SPGs on an open map can significantly change the dynamics of the game.

 

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