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Community #1 Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:58 AM

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Get the lowdown on changes to Japanese, French, German, American, and Soviet vehicles.

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T-54 first prototype

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the T-54 first prototype suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the T-54 first prototype suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 100 mm D10T-K gun by 25%

                * Changed aiming time of the 100 mm D10T-K gun for the T-54 first prototype turret from 2.4 s to 2.2 s

                * Changed the view range of the T-54 first prototype turret from 360 m to 380 m

                * Improved turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412 shell for the 100 mm D10T-K gun from 183 mm to 190 mm

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412P shell for the 100 mm D10T-K gun from 235 mm to 247 mm

                * Changed the depression angle of the 100 mm D10T-K gun from -6 degrees to -7 degrees

                * Changed the ammo rack capacity for the 100 mm D10T-K gun from 34 to 56

 

T-44-100

                * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 100 mm LB-1 gun by 15%

                * Changed the reload time of the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 8.1 s to 7.5 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 6.5 s to 4.5 s

                * Improved turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412 shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 183 mm to 190 mm

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412P shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 235 mm to 247 mm

 

 Т-44

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the T-44 suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the T-44M suspension by 10%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the T-44 suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the T-44M suspension by 10%

                * Changed dispersion of the 122 mm D-25-44 gun from 0.43 m to 0.42 m

                * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 100 mm LB-1 gun by 14%

                * Changed the reload time of the 122 mm D-25-44 gun for the Т-44-100 turret from 19.2 s to 15.2 s

                * Changed the reload time of the 100 mm LB-1 gun for the Т-44-100 turret from 8.1 s to 7.5 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 122 mm D-25-44 gun for the Т-44-100 turret from 3.4 s to 3.2 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 100 mm LB-1 gun for the Т-44-100 turret from 2.3 s to 2.1 s

                * Improved hull and turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412P shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 235 mm to 247 mm

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412 shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 183 mm to 190 mm

 

Т-54

                * Changed dispersion of the 100 mm D-10T2S gun from 0.35 m to 0.39 m

                * Changed dispersion of the 100 mm D-54 gun from 0.39 m to 0.33 m

                * Changed the reloading time of the 100 mm D-10T2S gun for the T-54 mod. 1949 turret from 7.8 s to 7.4 s

                * Changed the reloading time of the 100 mm D-54 gun for the T-54 mod. 1949 turret from 8.2 s to 8.5 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 100 mm D-10T2S gun for the T-54 mod. 1946 turret from 2.3 s to 2.5 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 100 mm D-54 gun for the T-54 mod. 1949 turret from 2.9 s to 2 s

                * Improved hull and turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412P shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 235 mm to 247 mm

                * Changed penetration of the UBR-412 shell for the 100 mm LB-1 gun from 183 mm to 190 mm

                * Changed the depression angle of the 100 mm D-10T2S gun from -5 degrees to -6 degrees

 

Object 140

                * Improved armor of the turret top

 

IS-7

                * Added the M-50TI engine

                 * Removed the M-50T engine

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the IS-7 suspension by 16%

                * Decreased dispersion hull traverse of the IS-7 suspension by 16%

                * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 130 mm S-70 gun by 25%

                * Changed aiming time of the 130 mm S-70 gun for the IS-7 turret from 3.1 s to 2.9 s

                * Changed vehicle durability from 2,150 to 2,400

 

ISU-152

                * Added the 152 mm D-4S

                * Removed the 122 mm A-19 mod. 1937 gun

                * Removed the 122 mm D-25S mod. 1944 gun

               * Removed the 152 mm BL-10

                * Removed the UBR-471 shell

                * Removed the BR-471D shell

                * Removed the UOF-471 shell

                * Removed the 53-OF-551 shell

                * Removed the UBR-551 shell

                * Removed the UBR-551P shell

                * Changed vehicle durability from 1,210 to 1,200

                * Changed the research cost of the BL-9S gun from 44,000 to 24,000

                * Changed the vehicle research cost of the Object 704 from 176,500 to 192,500

 

Object 704

                * Added the 152 mm D-4S

                * Changed the vehicle research cost of the Object 268 from 301,000 to 239,000

 

Object 268

   * Increased the Gun Traverse Limits from 6L/6R to 11L/11R

               * Increased velocity of the 152mm_UBR551M shell for the 152mm_M64 gun from 760 to 950 m/s (AP shells)

 

 

FRANCE

AMX 13 75

                * Changed the ammo capacity for the 75 mm SA49 gun from 42 to 44 shells

 

Bat.-Châtillon 25 t

                * Changed the ammo capacity for the 100 mm SA47 from 30 to 42 shells

 

AMX 30 B

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the AMX 30 B suspension by 25%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the AMX 30 B suspension by 25%

                * Changed dispersion of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun from 0.3 m to 0.36 m

                * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun by 33%

                * Changed the reloading time of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for th AMX 30 B turret from 8.9 s to 7.8 s

                * Changed the aiming time of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for th AMX 30 B turret from 2.1 s to 2 s

                * Improved turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the OCC-105-F1 shell for the 105 mm mle. F1 gun from 320 mm to 300 mm

                * Changed penetration of the OFL-105-F1 shell for the 105 mm mle. F1 gun from 260 mm to 248 mm

 

AMX AC mle. 48

                * Changed dispersion of the 120 mm AC SA46 gun from 0.33 m to 0.37 m

                * Decreased dispersion on gun traverse of the 120 mm AC SA46 gun by 42%

                * Added the magazine reloading system to the 120 mm AC SA46 gun for the AMX AC mle. 48 turret

                * Changed the aiming time for the 120 mm AC SA46 gun for the AMX AC mle. 48 turret from 2.9 s to 2.7 s

                * Improved hull armor

                * Changed the ammo capacity for the 120 mm AC SA46 from 64 to 66 shells

 

AMX 50 Foch (155)

                * Added the SCR 619F radio

                * Added the Saurer 1000F engine

                * Removed the SCR 619 radio

                * Removed the Saurer engine

                * Improved hull armor

                * Changed the elevation angle of the 155 mm AC SA58 gun from +12 degrees to +18 degrees

                * Changed the gun depression angle of the 155 mm AC SA58 gun from -5 degrees to -6 degrees

                * The vehicle was transferred from the researchable to special category

                * Elevation angles are increased till 10 degrees in each side

 

Bat.-Châtillon 25 t

                * Changed the ammo capacity for the 100 mm SA47 from 30 to 42 shells

 

AMX 30 1er prototype

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the AMX 30 1er prototype suspension by 11%

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the AMX 30 A pré-série suspension by 12%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the AMX 30 1er prototype suspension by 11%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the AMX 30 A pré-série suspension by 12%

                * Changed dispersion of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 A pré-série turret from 0.33 m to 0.37 m

                * Changed dispersion of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 1er prototype turret from 0.34 m to 0.38 m

                * Decreased dispersion of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 A pré-série turret by 40%

                * Decreased dispersion of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 1er prototype turret by 30%

                * Changed the reloading time of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 A pré-série turret from 9.9 s to 8.7 s

                * Changed the reloading time of the 105 mm mle. F1 gun for the AMX 30 1er prototype turret from 10.2 s to 9 s

                * Improved turret armor

                * Changed penetration of the OFL-105-F1 shell for the 105 mm mle. F1 gun from 260 mm to 248 mm

                * Changed penetration of the OCC-105-F1 shell for the 105 mm mle. F1 gun from 320 mm to 300 mm

 

AMX 50 100

                * Changed the gun depression angle of the 90 mm DCA 45 gun from -6 degrees to -9 degrees

                * Changed the gun depression angle of the 90 mm F3 gun from -6 degrees to -9 degrees

                * Changed the gun depression angle of the 100 mm SA47 gun from -6 degrees to -9 degrees

 

AMX 50 Foch

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the AMX 50 Foch suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the AMX 50 Foch suspension by 10%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the AMX 50 Foch suspension by 9%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the AMX 50 Foch suspension by 10%

                * Changed dispersion of the 120 mm AC SA46 gun from 0.33 m to 0.35 m

                * Decreased dispersion on gun traverse of the 120 mm AC SA46 gun by 30%

                * Added the magazine reloading system to the 120 mm AC SA46 gun for the AMX 50 Foch turret

                * Changed the aiming time for the 120 mm AC SA46 gun for the AMX 50 Foch turret from 2.3 s to 2.5 s

                * Improved hull armor

                * Changed the ammo capacity for the 120 mm AC SA46 from 64 to 68 shells

 

AMX 50 Foch B

   * Added the following vehicle to replace the AMX 50 Foch (155)

 

GERMANY

Mäuschen

            * Crossing capacity of the standard suspension is improved on all types of soils

 

Maus

                * Changed reloading time of the 12,8 cm Kw.K. 44 L/55 gun from 12 s to 13.3 s

                * Changed vehicle durability from 3,200 to 3,000

 

8,8 cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger

                * Decreased dispersion during movement of the Jagdtiger 8,8 suspension by 6%

                * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the Jagdtiger 8,8 suspension by 6%

                * Changed the traverse speed of the Jagdtiger 8,8 suspension from 22 to 26

 

USA

M46 Patton

                * Improved turret armor

 

M48A1 Patton

                * Removed  90 mm Gun M41

                * Removed 105 mm Gun T5E1M2

                * Removed the AP M77 shell

                * Removed the HE M71 shell

                * Removed the HVAP M304 shell

                * Removed the AP T32M2 shell

                * Removed the APCR T29E3M2 shell

                * Removed the HE M11A2 shell

                * Improved turret armor

 

JAPAN

O-I Experimental

                * Removed the 10 cm Cannon Type 14 gun

                * Removed the APHE Type 95 shell

                * Removed the APHE Type 95 Toku Kou shell

                * Removed the HE Type 14 shell

                * Changed the turret traverse speed of the O-I Experimental turret from 22 deg/s to 20 deg/s

                Increased armoring of the hull and turret

                * Changed the top speed from 40 km/h to 25 km/h

 

O-I

                * Decreased thickness of the hull and turret armor

 

O-Ho

                * Added the AP Experimental Type 2 Toku Otsu shell

 

Type 4 Heavy

                * Changed the traverse speed of the Type 4 Heavy suspension from 20 to 15

                * Changed the traverse speed of the Type 4 Heavy Kai suspension from 22 to 17

                * Changed the turret traverse speed of the Type 4 Heavy turret from 18 deg/s to 17 deg/s

 

Type 5 Heavy

                * Changed the traverse speed of the Type 5 Heavy suspension from 22 to 17

                * Changed the turret traverse speed of the Type 5 Heavy turret from 20 deg/s to 18 deg/s

                * Decreased thickness of the hull armor



julian2 #2 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:08 AM

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date?

 



omar3349892 #3 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:09 AM

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whyu don't keep the amx foch 155 and the new foch b in the tree as the 113 and wz 111 4a or a better idea like putting two gun and the player has the choise to select between the two guns like in wt auf e100

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Dis4ster #4 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:13 AM

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View Postomar3349892, on 27 July 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

whyu don't keep the amx foch 155 and the new foch b in the tree as the 113 and wz 111 4a

 

Because this way every noob and his dog will try to get Foch 155 before 9.20 and many would use free exp for that and maybe even buy credits.

leggasiini #5 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:16 AM

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No changes to Type 4/5's guns though? Meh. 14cm is still trash and 15cm is a full p2w cannon. Also the article mentions some weakspots being as low as 240 on Type 5 but the picture still shows 260/270.

 

Type 4/5 needs further weaker weakspots (210-220 effective on Type 4 and 230 on Type 5), buffs to the 14cm gun's penetration and 15cm's gold round NEEDS changes. Im not happy with Type 4/5 until that is done.


Edited by leggasiini, 27 July 2017 - 01:57 PM.


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since you are about to buff the T-54 turret than you should do the same to the T-55A as it has a similar kind of turret design

http://forum.worldof...st__p__14589367

Edited by Zinomov, 27 July 2017 - 01:11 PM.


gudfors123 #7 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:21 AM

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You will buff T-54s turret and what about T 55A???

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View Postleggasiini, on 27 July 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

Guys, did you see it? No mentioning of Batchat 25t.

 

Looks like they canceled Batchat changes. ITS SOMETHIN

 

Also, 268 now gets also increased gun depression? Nice.

 

No changes to Type 4/5's guns though? Meh. 14cm is still trash and 15cm is a full p2w cannon. Also the article mentions some weakspots being as low as 240 on Type 5 but the picture still shows 260/270.

 

Type 4/5 needs further weaker weakspots (210-220 effective on Type 4 and 230 on Type 5), buffs to the 14cm gun's penetration and 15cm's gold round NEEDS changes. Im not happy with Type 4/5 until that is done.

 

BC is mentioned, its just a bit of a fail, its mentioned below french HT section.

"We know how many of you hold the Bat.-Châtillon 25 t. dear. So do we! Upon considering your feedback on the changes we planned to introduce, we took a step back to review the testing results and didn't find a solid enough reason to rebalance this treasured vehicle. We will leave it unchanged for now."


Edited by Visionx_LV, 27 July 2017 - 10:23 AM.


Sir_Bad #9 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:22 AM

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Still no mention of a buff for the T95E2. It could really use the smaller cupola the M48 is getting. Meh...

XxKuzkina_MatxX #10 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:27 AM

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IS7 changes...the well armored coffin

 

  • gun handling improvements...it's a brawler, u don't aim at people 50 meters away you just shoot as fast as you can in their general direction and get back to cover!
  • mobility improvements...not gonna happen according to the article.
  • more hp...OK! but without return fire from the IS7 or retaliation you can give it all the hp you want and it will be a pinata for other tanks with higher DPM.
  • DPM...who thought that it would be funny to give a tier 10 heavy the DPM of the cromwell??? correct me if i am wrong but it got the second worst DPM after the Pz. VII.
  • PEN... second worse in a tier 10 heavy after the kranvagn (and i mean gold pen).

 

so what does the IS7 have going for it at the moment or even after the proposed buffs? the armor which we know everyone with a 2 key can deal with!



rekt_that_tank #11 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:30 AM

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what can i say

thank you WG now you are using brain :)

is 7 was sooooo sh.. & finally u buffed it nice :) & also t54 & t44



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About AMX 50 Foch B

" Basically, this newcomer is a revised version of the AMX 50 Foch (155), equipped with a six-round 120mm autoloader capable of dealing 400 alpha damage instead of the 155 gun.."

 

Why don't you say something about the pen of the that "wonderful tier 10 six-round 120mm autoloader"  gun...?



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the 190 mm that you gave to the T-54 mod.1 and T44 guns (100mm gun) is still too poor, they need atleast 200mm of pen

when it comes to the IS-7 it must have a DPM buff fast, because this tank is obsolete ....

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What happened with the speed Buff for the IS-7? I guess the Object 260, 113 or the WZ-111 Model 5A are still the better IS-7's because there better in everything.

Edited by Salty_Fgt, 27 July 2017 - 10:37 AM.


H4RT_of_STEAL #15 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:35 AM

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Hello Community,

 

i saw there is probably a balance for the M48 Patton with a buff of the turret, what is about the M60 in my opinion its also way to weak with its turret, pls fix that as well



Hammerhead20 #16 Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:35 AM

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If you increasing armour for tier IX and some tier X medium tanks, what about Japanese ones?

 

Also nothing about Leopard 1 line... both Leopard tanks should get some "love" as well...

 

Some tanks are getting "stronger" armour while other tanks which armour maybe is more "needed" gets completely nothing...

 

So, this is how your "balance" looks like...


Edited by Hammerhead20, 27 July 2017 - 10:38 AM.


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And again, the German vehicles rather are nerfed, while all others are buffed. I'm very unhappy with WG about this. Just to name two prominent examples:

 

The LÖWE and it's "nearly-always-tier-X" matchmaking stays a very very frustrating vehicle with low mobility, low gun performance (especially penetration), low armor, high vulnerability to module damage and then regularily set up against tanks 2 tiers higher - because of ist size and mobility it is nothing else than a prime target and free damage-points-supplier to any other tank on the battlefield (esp. arty).

The LEOPARD 1 has good gun stats on the paper, but it's real-life gun performance (reload, penetration) stays dismal making it pretty inferior against anything at Tier X.



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 this newcomer is a revised version of the AMX 50 Foch (155), equipped with a six-round 120mm autoloader capable of dealing 400 alpha damage instead of the 155 gun.

 

6*400 = 2400 dmg per clip so what was wrong with the WT E100 again???

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so old foch will be a special tier 10 now??? 

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View PostVerbal_kint_742, on 27 July 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

About AMX 50 Foch B

" Basically, this newcomer is a revised version of the AMX 50 Foch (155), equipped with a six-round 120mm autoloader capable of dealing 400 alpha damage instead of the 155 gun.."

 

Why don't you say something about the pen of the that "wonderful tier 10 six-round 120mm autoloader"  gun...?

 

257 mm.... on tier 10. As a TD.

C'mon, a med has higher penetration.

 

Else: What about type59? If any, that tank needs a huge buff badly. 183mm pen, bad accuracy, terrible MM, vulnerable body, paper hull, non-existent turret armor, and slugishness making it very frustrating to play against OP tier 8s (for example new british meds) and tier 9 tanks. While seeing tier 7 is so rare, as a white raven.






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