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Should the tech boys correct it's obvious short comings

  1. Yes The engine should be 440 hp (8 votes [14.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  2. Yes the armour should be in line with the Pz 4 H (9 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  3. Yes to all the above! (19 votes [35.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.19%

  4. NO it's fine as it is (8 votes [14.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  5. Just sell it (5 votes [9.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.26%

  6. Really not bothered (5 votes [9.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.26%

Does this throw up issues about other tanks or the integrity of the game?

  1. Yes other tanks details are not accurate either (11 votes [23.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.91%

  2. Yes what else has preferential treatment? (7 votes [15.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.22%

  3. Yes to both of the above (9 votes [19.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.57%

  4. No not really (13 votes [28.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.26%

  5. W(h)OT issues? WOT'ssup? I'm a Herbert from Radio Rentals (6 votes [13.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

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Kmn04 #1 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:15 PM

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Stug 4 has an Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM which is 440hp, yet it is only rated with 300hp! WHY? It also has the top rated suspension/tracks....

This means the overall speed on flat and more so on inclines, is under powered, slower than it should be.

Armour wise, it has 'H' side armour panels similar to Panzer 4H yet it's armour and survivability is less than an un-upgraded / stock stug 3, in fact a cardboard box has better armour....one hit and your history, kaboom, blown up, finito, asta la vista baby,....it is an ex stug 4!

https://worldoftanks.../G104_Stug_IV/ 

Yes it has a moderately good gun.....so? After battling through 10 missions per tank type....to say the tank was disappointing is an understatement of monumental proportions. But what's so silly is that it needn't be!

WOT thinks: "Each tanks has its own pros and cons and for the Stug IV its main power is that it has a good rate of fire and a preferential MM (the Stug IV will never see any tank above tier VI"

Due to the blatant falsifying of it's stats, to it's 'preferential' treatment...what about it is real?

So this also pulls into contention; 'What else has been tailored in the game?', 'What other tanks have been overpowered / underpowered?', 'What other tanks armours have been minimised / over engineered?' and 'What other tanks receive preferential treatment?'.....and why?


Edited by Kmn04, 28 July 2017 - 11:07 AM.


JuliusCheddar #2 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:23 PM

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Since when WG cares about tier 5 balance? 

Balc0ra #3 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:24 PM

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Stug 4 is a limited MM tank. That more or less says it all. As having it to be on pair with the stug III then on most aspects will be a tad to silly, or even the Pz IV. And tbh.. with it's MM it's more then fine. It's a TD. You're not supposed to take hits anyway. If you do. It's an indication that the line you supported failed or is dead. So for what it is. It's IMO fine. And actually a rather enjoyable TD... since it was free.

 



Alex_Connor #4 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:33 PM

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Stug IV is pretty bad. Gun is just crap, it's supposed to have 135mm pen. Compare to US 76mm (really a 75mm) 75mm L/48 fires slightly heavier shell of identical caliber at slightly higher velocity, so why does it have 18mm less pen? 110 is hopeless for a tier 5 TD.

Pretty much a tier 4 Stug III with more hp and lousy MM, and ok, the tier 4 stug is pretty decent, but it's not good enough to be a tier 5 even with pref MM.

Spurtung #5 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:35 PM

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I voted them all, because I could.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:49 PM

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View PostAlex_Connor, on 27 July 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Stug IV is pretty bad. Gun is just crap, it's supposed to have 135mm pen. Compare to US 76mm (really a 75mm) 75mm L/48 fires slightly heavier shell of identical caliber at slightly higher velocity, so why does it have 18mm less pen? 110 is hopeless for a tier 5 TD.

 

110 pen is more then good enough. I mean it's no Excelsior or T14 that has to brawl HT's with 91 pen and limited MM is it? SU-85i that is the only other tier 5 limited MM TD has an 85mm with 119 pen, and that's a fantastic TD. Most tier 5 limited MM tanks have less then 110, or are at 110 pen. So as tier 5 limited MM tanks go. It's gun is above average. And it works. Nothing more, nothing less. And the L48 gun has 110 pen on all the tanks that use it. Inc the Pz III/VI that has it as his top gun. And 128mm on the T67 is better? As it faces tier 7 tanks. Stug don't.



Alex_Connor #7 Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:13 PM

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There are plenty of t5 heavies you'll struggle to engage with 110 pen, more so fighting at any sort of range. Even vs mediums can be wonky.

And the 75mm L/48 should have more pen on all the tanks that use it, 110 is pretty bad even on a t5 medium considering most non German tanks have at least 120 and some 128 etc.

Plasma_Fire #8 Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:11 PM

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The StuG IV sufferes from the fact that it actually existed, its engine power was 296HP. Its hull was a PzIV while its superstructure was from a StuG III. If WG were to play it straight it should also have the L/70 as its gun as it was intended to fit it with that gun, the only reason it got the L/48 was lack of supply.

Its front armour should be 80mm for the glacis and 80mm for the superstructure as the StuG IV used elements of  the PzIV H and StuG G.

 

But then with fantasy tanks like those in the Japanese tech tree in this game WG are departing from accurate tanks all the time.

 



Totieso #9 Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:25 PM

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View PostPlasma_Fire, on 27 July 2017 - 11:11 PM, said:

But then with fantasy tanks like those in the Japanese tech tree in this game WG are departing from accurate tanks all the time.

 

 

Only jap tanks? 

 

Fantasy tanks everywhere


Edited by Totieso, 28 July 2017 - 06:39 AM.


NiemandXL #10 Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:42 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 27 July 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

110 pen is more then good enough.

 

No, it really isn't. It's workable on a medium with a turret you can actually flank people with. On a sluggish TD without turret it's not fine at all. Do not forget the penetration loss over distance. And staying at +300m to your enemies is the only way you can actually survive in a TD that has 350 hitpoints. Anything with a derp gun, and there are many tank with derps in that tier range, easily kills this TD with one hit so any kind of brawling really isn't an option.



HugSeal #11 Posted 28 July 2017 - 12:03 AM

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I clicked some boxes at random, hope this helps!

Tinbawx #12 Posted 28 July 2017 - 03:19 AM

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300 hp on the Maybach HL120TRM V-12 engine are historically correct. That´s also the horsepower the StuG III G had in reality. As for the armour, no idea StuG armour schematics aren´t exactly lying around all over the web.

The 20mm UFP definetly hurts the StuG IV as it is overmatched by 75mm guns.



Kmn04 #13 Posted 28 July 2017 - 11:05 AM

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View PostPlasma_Fire, on 27 July 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

The StuG IV sufferes from the fact that it actually existed, its engine power was 296HP. Its hull was a PzIV while its superstructure was from a StuG III. If WG were to play it straight it should also have the L/70 as its gun as it was intended to fit it with that gun, the only reason it got the L/48 was lack of supply.

Its front armour should be 80mm for the glacis and 80mm for the superstructure as the StuG IV used elements of  the PzIV H and StuG G.

 

But then with fantasy tanks like those in the Japanese tech tree in this game WG are departing from accurate tanks all the time.

 

 

And that's my point. However the engine in the game is stated as 440 hp (see stug 3 engines) As to the other fantasy tanks I think WOT needs to reconsider as there are lots of other tanks still not represented: M41 half track with artillery/anti-tank gun or the german half tracks with similar arrangements. Sure their armour would be crap but that would be made up by their camouflage potential and speed.




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