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Uebergewicht #1 Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:45 PM

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You might have heard of this tank before, but it seems WG is at least getting more concrete on the details: It appears as if the VK 168.01 is going to be added into the game files with the upcoming patch. These are the stats given so far:

 

  • Tier: 8
  • Weight: 168,000
  • Engine Power: 780hp
  • Power to Weight: 4.64
  • Max Speed: +20/-15 kph
  • Terrain Resistances: .767/.863/1.918
  • Hull Traverse: 18 deg/sec
  • Turret Traverse: 15 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 180/130/100mm
  • Turret Armor: 230/160/100m
  • View Range: 400m
  • Signal Range: 740.4m

 

  • Gun: 128mm Kw.K L/50 A
  • Damage: 440/440/630
  • Penetration: 220/260/65mm
  • Aim Time: 2.59 sec
  • Reload: 14.384 sec
  • Accuracy: .384
  • DPM: 1835.4
  • Depression/Elevation: -8/+25 deg

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At the very least, WG seems to have given up on the idea of giving this tank 750 alpha damage (thank god). But other than that... this thing seems similar to the regular VK 100.01 P. Both giant, really slow tanks with strong UFPs, rounded turret fronts, prominent cupolas and 440 alpha damage, which is quite brutal at tier 8. Absolutely devastating to lower tiers, tough for same tiers but probably a bit underpowerd against higher tiers which will nail this tank in the weakspots. Also pretty much dead when outmaneuvered... which is probably the crux on this tank: With a HP-Ton ratio of just under 5, this thing is likely comically slow.

 

Not sure what to think of it. I can see why so many people dislike the introduction of even more super heavy armored tanks... but this one, at least, seems to be less ridiculous than the Defender, which combines brutal alpha and armor with low profile and good mobility. As a Löwe owner I dont think this tank will be quite as useful as a Löwe because the Löwe is such a great support tank as bottom tier, but just as the VKP 100 this thing will be beastly against same and lower tiers, provided it gets anywhere to actually fight them. I kinda expect it to get a mobility buff - for those who have ever played the VKP 100, just think of tank like that which is half as fast... what a drag to play.

 

So, I would be interested to read what you think of this tank?


Edited by Uebergewicht, 30 July 2017 - 10:50 PM.


Liviguy #2 Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:49 PM

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I play German tanks, and I don't believe the line needs another big, slow heavy tank. What does need attention is the Tiger 2 at tier 8, it's a crying shame that tank is so neglected.

FluffyRedFox #3 Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:56 PM

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heres the armour scheme:

 



Liviguy #4 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:00 PM

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View Postfishbob101, on 30 July 2017 - 10:56 PM, said:

heres the armour scheme:

 

 

It looks identical to the VK1001P. Surely WG could have a bit more imagination.

Edited by Liviguy, 30 July 2017 - 11:02 PM.


Uebergewicht #5 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:02 PM

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Okay, with such glaring weakspots, it either needs to be a lot faster to be worth it, or they need to buff its armor a lot to keep it slow as it is. At least it would be an interesting concept to have a nigh-invulnerable tank that is barely faster than a pillbox, though obviously extremely situational.

 

While I am really glad that WG is not trying to one-up the Defender, with this mobility and armor the 168 seems pretty garbage, and even with an mobility buff, kinda meh. But I cant really say what I would do to fix this, as I really dont want another overbuffed Premium tank.



Aikl #6 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:07 PM

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Can't wait for the rivers of salt when people buy it only to find out it's hilariously slow and has a MG port weakspot that's ~140mm thick.

 

Front-mounted turret, weakspot and that kind of speed.... yeah. Sounds like a crappy mix to me.

 

View PostUebergewicht, on 30 July 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

Okay, with such glaring weakspots, it either needs to be a lot faster to be worth it, or they need to buff its armor a lot to keep it slow as it is. At least it would be an interesting concept to have a nigh-invulnerable tank that is barely faster than a pillbox, though obviously extremely situational.

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My idea forsuperheavies is to give them shitty agility, fair top speed, below-average DPM and 'hard' weakspots. The VK100.01P is only really limited in terms of top speed, it moves too frickin' fast for a 100+ ton brick - just like e.g. the O-Ni. Makes no sense to me.


Edited by Aikl, 30 July 2017 - 11:09 PM.


jake_teppis #7 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:07 PM

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So they put mäuschen into the tier 8. Put turret on front and make it overall worse than vk100.01p. Not gonna waste my money on this pile of garbage.

Liviguy #8 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:09 PM

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View Postjake_teppis, on 30 July 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

So they put mäuschen into the tier 8. Put turret on front and make it overall worse than vk100.01p. Not gonna waste my money on this pile of garbage.

 

At tier 8 I'd rather have the Lowe.

leggasiini #9 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:25 PM

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I like how they are giving it actual weakspots, but they have their limits too. Those weakspots are simply too overkill; they are pennable by some tier 6 medium AP shells with good rolls, and we are talking about one of the slowest if not the slowest tank in the game when you factor HP/ton. Imagine a tank with that kind of mobility and has weakspots almost like KV-5. 

 

They need to give this thing something unique over VK 100. I mean, they need to nerf/rework VK, but right now this is literally just a much worse version with zero advantages over VK 100.


Edited by leggasiini, 31 July 2017 - 08:06 PM.


Uebergewicht #10 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:29 PM

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Yeah, it feels like for this tank to be worth it AND not negatively affect the gameplay, it needs a bigger redesign. The planned 750 alpha gun would have been a selling point, but also would have made this tank pretty cancerous to play against. Maybe if you take the gun in the other direction: Instead of a slow firing high alpha gun, give it low to medium alpha, but good handling and excellent dpm. The idea would be that this tank just slowly rolls over an enemy, staying relativley exposed but just keeps shooting all the time and shredds tanks that dont get out of the way in time. Given that this giant is too slow to even effectively peek-a-boom, this could be a concept worth exploring. But thats just a simple idea of mine.

Edited by Uebergewicht, 30 July 2017 - 11:31 PM.


lord_chipmonk #11 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:34 PM

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No weak spots -> 140mm weak spots on a super heavy at tier 8. Come on WG, some middle ground would be nice.

Browarszky #12 Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:35 PM

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I had initially considered getting this instead of the Löwe.. but right now it seems like it isn't going to happen...

Balc0ra #13 Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:06 AM

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Is this not the same tank they tested around last year with both the 15cm and 12.8cm gun? To see what it would have on final? I suspect the 15cm variant did not work to well then.

 

View PostLiviguy, on 30 July 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

 

It looks identical to the VK1001P. Surely WG could have a bit more imagination.

 

At least the cupola is not 240mm effective so that even the IS-6 has a chance vs it. And it seems to have an MG port weakspot. That's... unusual. As even the Tiger II had those removed. Either that or they actually did hear all the crying about the Chrysler K. As that spot was not there when they first showed it ages ago. That... and bike is still not counted as spaced armor.


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 July 2017 - 12:13 AM.


GalmTwo #14 Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:19 AM

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It's a shame the Czech or Japanese lines aren't getting much attention as Germans or Russians. Not even British either.

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Balc0ra #15 Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:23 AM

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View PostGalmTwo, on 31 July 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

It's a shame the Czech or Japanese lines aren't getting much attention as Germans or Russians. Not even British either.

 

You've not read any of the patch notes of late have you?

GalmTwo #16 Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:24 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 July 2017 - 01:23 AM, said:

 

You've not read any of the patch notes of late have you?

 

Guess not.

cro001 #17 Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:53 AM

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People cry about HTs too strong. They introduce weakspots that bottom tiers can handle - You go mental. Will you make your [edited]mind, no wonder WG keeps striking out when all the shitters get the vote.

Leave armor, buff mobility, nerf gun alpha. Is fixed, da?



XxKuzkina_MatxX #18 Posted 31 July 2017 - 01:22 AM

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Who's gonna buy that thing WG???

 

After the recent premiums level of power (Chrysler-Defender-Patriot) AND the recent buffs to the Lowe no average or above average player will buy this unless they are new to the scam sorry the game or a collector. Also tier 8 matchmaking doesn't help :)



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View Postcro001, on 30 July 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

People cry about HTs too strong. They introduce weakspots that bottom tiers can handle - You go mental. Will you make your [edited]mind, no wonder WG keeps striking out when all the shitters get the vote.

Leave armor, buff mobility, nerf gun alpha. Is fixed, da?

 

How exactly is that a fix ? Angle at bloody 30 degrees - give middle finger to everyone ....

This is what a premium Maus at tier 8 would look like. Do not like.

 

Before when i was grinding tanks i normally would skip to tier 6 and go from there.... Looks like soon i will have to start skiping tier 8 as well. Maybe thats what WG is after.


Edited by SilentFear, 31 July 2017 - 01:31 AM.


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View PostSilentFear, on 31 July 2017 - 01:28 AM, said:

 

How exactly is that a fix ? Angle at bloody 30 degrees - give middle finger to everyone ....

This is what a premium Maus at tier 8 would look like. Do not like.

 

Before when i was grinding tanks i normally would skip to tier 6 and go from there.... Looks like soon i will have to start skiping tier 8 as well. Maybe thats what WG is after.

 

At least it has MG port unlike many others. And cupola/LFP isn't [edited]levels of armor.




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