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Hiisi #1 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:07 PM

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Really wg... really. 

 

Seems way too stong, it will become almost OP as defender and will make all other tier 8 medium (and premium) tanks obsolete.

 

good turret, good mobility, small profile, ok depression, huge alfa and accurate gun...seriously...



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View PostHiisi, on 03 August 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

Really wg... really. 

 

Seems way too stong, it will become almost OP as defender and will make all other tier 8 medium (and premium) tanks obsolete.

 

good turret, good mobility, small profile, ok depression, huge alfa and accurate gun...seriously...

 

Now....this is how to sell a tank! :P

Tinbawx #3 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:21 PM

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Dammit, I don´t have a VTU in my garage. How am I gonna deal with this?

Y_O_L_0 #4 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:26 PM

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I recommend this tank to everyone. I played thousands of battles with the T-34-3 and I had massive fun with the 390 alpha cannon. This "Guardian" tank has the same amazing 390 alpha and it also has much better aim time, accuracy, the armor is amazing. The painting on it is sweet, it reminds me of the Need for Speed games and the Fast and Furious movies (no offense to Russian people).

This tank is going to be amazing, 390 alpha with an indestructible turret will result in many fun battles, trust me. Buy this tank once you will have the opportunity cause WG will never sell it again, once these tanks kill tier 8 SH. This tank is the ultimate best tank in the game (untill WG reintroduses the WT-E100 as a tier 8 premium).

tajj7 #5 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:30 PM

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View PostHiisi, on 03 August 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

Really wg... really. 

 

Seems way too stong, it will become almost OP as defender and will make all other tier 8 medium (and premium) tanks obsolete.

 

good turret, good mobility, small profile, ok depression, huge alfa and accurate gun...seriously...

 

Based on what?

 

  • Gun handling is awful, 0.21 dispersion on movement and turning is worse than the CDC, has which is one of the worse tier 8s for dispersion. We are talking near Cromwell levels of bloom with a longer aim time.

 

  • DPM is woeful, nearly Lowe levels of DPM for a medium, something like an STA-2 will be able to shoot twice with ease before this thing can fire again. 

 

  • 'Huge alpha' which you can get on the M4 Rev, which has a faster aim time, 33% better dispersion and -10 gun depression, not to mention almost twice the shell velocity, with only 12 less pen. 

 

  • 2nd worst view range of any tier 8 medium. 

 

  • Low HP at 1350, and from what I can see very bad module HP, ammo rack as bad as the T-44. 

 

  • Frontal armour is 130 effective, side armour is 45mm and you can't side scrape because the frontal hull has shoulders, hull roof is 30mm and visible from the roof, so overmatched by all guns more than 90mm, plus the rest of the hull roof is 20mm so overmatched by pretty much anything. So no side hugging or facehugging will be able to happen, any tallish tank will be able to overmatch the hull roof and pen everytime. 

 

  • Turret is not really that good - 

 

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That is it against the IS3's 225 pen, most 200 pen guns are at least 50/50 to pen most of the turret plus the large cupola is like 140 effective.

 

IMO this tank is pretty crap, it's a bad Obj. 416, it'll have decent mobility and will be able to snipe ok but that is about it. 

 



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Erm, didn't see this thread. :facepalm:

AllTheChildren #7 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:34 PM

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Well sorry to bust your bubble, but it isn't that op.

Hulldown will be hard in that tank since the front etc. has a lot of overmatching areas.

Also turret is "weak" to most guns at t8 and above.

 

 

Ah sorry the 217mm armour part is already the effective value from that direction. The armour there is only 180mm.

Also the gun has good accuracy for a rusian 122mm at t8 but the ammo is slow and the gun handling is okayish.

The camo values of it is 15% while standing  and 12 while on the move.

The 416 has 31% while standing  and 13 on the move.

All in all a worse  416 with a bit better armour but far worse dpm.

Also the 416 has the I don't care zubk4 ammo aka 330 mm pen heat.

And the 416 has 2502 base dpm  stg only has 1743.

 

So ... nope.

 

Only real advantage is that it has a complete 360° turret.

 


Edited by AllTheChildren, 03 August 2017 - 07:50 PM.


Hezs #8 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:42 PM

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Most retarded crapI`ve seen this far. Fuckin soviet propaganda poster slapped on OP tank! What The the Hell seriously.. 0,316 accuracy with 390! Soviet trolls already here stating this IS perfectly balanced tank LOL. And If you sell it rarely doesn't mean it is OK to it to be op! We will find it on a christmas calendar anyway.

AllTheChildren #9 Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:46 PM

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View PostHezs, on 03 August 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Most retarded crapI`ve seen this far. Fuckin soviet propaganda poster slapped on OP tank! What The the Hell seriously.. 0,316 accuracy with 390! Soviet trolls already here stating this IS perfectly balanced tank LOL. And If you sell it rarely doesn't mean it is OK to it to be op! We will find it on a christmas calendar anyway.

 

It is in nearly every expect worse than the 416.

Except for alpha damage and a bit of armour.



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Except 6 depression, full rotating turret, better armor.. wtf man?

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View Posttajj7, on 03 August 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

 

Based on what?

 

  • Gun handling is awful, 0.21 dispersion on movement and turning is worse than the CDC, has which is one of the worse tier 8s for dispersion. We are talking near Cromwell levels of bloom with a longer aim time.

 

  • DPM is woeful, nearly Lowe levels of DPM for a medium, something like an STA-2 will be able to shoot twice with ease before this thing can fire again. 

 

  • 'Huge alpha' which you can get on the M4 Rev, which has a faster aim time, 33% better dispersion and -10 gun depression, not to mention almost twice the shell velocity, with only 12 less pen. 

 

  • 2nd worst view range of any tier 8 medium. 

 

  • Low HP at 1350, and from what I can see very bad module HP, ammo rack as bad as the T-44. 

 

  • Frontal armour is 130 effective, side armour is 45mm and you can't side scrape because the frontal hull has shoulders, hull roof is 30mm and visible from the roof, so overmatched by all guns more than 90mm, plus the rest of the hull roof is 20mm so overmatched by pretty much anything. So no side hugging or facehugging will be able to happen, any tallish tank will be able to overmatch the hull roof and pen everytime. 

 

  • Turret is not really that good - 

 

Posted Image

 

That is it against the IS3's 225 pen, most 200 pen guns are at least 50/50 to pen most of the turret plus the large cupola is like 140 effective.

 

IMO this tank is pretty crap, it's a bad Obj. 416, it'll have decent mobility and will be able to snipe ok but that is about it. 

 

 

Remeber the m4 ravioli has apcr with 200mm pen at t8 it is ~~ ....

For shooting medium and lights on long range great but is3 frontal plate etc. can be a challenge caused by the worse normalization.

The 88 L71 with ap doesn't suffer from that problem.

 

 



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View PostHezs, on 03 August 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

Except 6 depression, full rotating turret, better armor.. wtf man?

 

6 degree gun depression on a turret in the back so you plan to reverrse up the hills ??

Showing people your autopen 30mm [edited]???

 

The t54 prototype and the t44 100 will be better once they get the turret buff etc.



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View PostHezs, on 03 August 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Most retarded crapI`ve seen this far. Fuckin soviet propaganda poster slapped on OP tank! What The the Hell seriously.. 0,316 accuracy with 390! Soviet trolls already here stating this IS perfectly balanced tank LOL. And If you sell it rarely doesn't mean it is OK to it to be op! We will find it on a christmas calendar anyway.

 

OP? If anything its UP...

tajj7 #14 Posted 03 August 2017 - 08:32 PM

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View PostAllTheChildren, on 03 August 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

 

 

 

The t54 prototype and the t44 100 will be better once they get the turret buff etc.

 

Not to mention soon to be buffed Cent 1 and Strv 81 that have 254mm frontal turret armour with 240mm mantlets, -10 gun depression and 226 penetration. Plus the buffed FV4202 with 240 effective turret armour and -10 gun depression. 

 

And then there is the Type 59 and the soon to be buffed to the same armour levels as the Type 59, the T-34-3, which have turret armour that is about 260 plus effective all over, plus the Type has -7 gun depression. That is 7 tier 8 mediums alone that will have a much superior turret to this tank and 6 of them will have more gun depression. 

 

This tank has about the same effective turret armour as Pershing, with nearly half the Pershing's gun depression, and amazingly worse hull armour as well, plus the rear mounted turret to deal with. 

 

IMO this thing is underpowered

 

View PostAllTheChildren, on 03 August 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Remeber the m4 ravioli has apcr with 200mm pen at t8 it is ~~ ....

For shooting medium and lights on long range great but is3 frontal plate etc. can be a challenge caused by the worse normalization.

The 88 L71 with ap doesn't suffer from that problem.

 

 

Yeh but 212 AP is not going to pen a lot more and the Rev's gun handling is just so much better, not to mention that it has almost 1.5s faster reload as well for the same alpha, plus that shell velocity.

 

This STG thing only has 248 pen APCR as a premium round as well so not really any better than the 250 HEAT.

 

If you want a good 390 alpha gunned medium get the M4 Rev or the soon to be buffed T-34-3, the Rev has super snap shoting ability and good gun depression, the T-34-3 will have excellent all round armour. 

 

 

 

 


Edited by tajj7, 03 August 2017 - 08:34 PM.


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Could this be a sign that WG are done with OP premiums?

Browarszky #16 Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:02 PM

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I'm not interested. What I am interested to see is the Defender back in the shop.

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It seems pretty balanced for a tier 8 premium at least compared to most and its worse in most ways than it's tech tree competitor which has better camo fire rate i think accuracy, speed, mobility armour wise i have no clue etc.

 

i guess it's good to train your obj 416 and 430 2 crews in it.

 

makes me wonder if there are two teams of premium makers the 'lets buff everything' team and the 'lets try to balance it' team.


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View PostAnkara_Aatu, on 03 August 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Could this be a sign that WG are done with OP premiums?

 

they already did damage.... who buys this weak tank is seriously an idiot.... we all wait for Defender

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View Posttajj7, on 03 August 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

 

 

the soon to be buffed T-34-3

 

 

I hope the T-34-3 will be buffed as planned. The super test plans can change. (I have my fingers crossed)



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View PostY_O_L_0, on 03 August 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

I hope the T-34-3 will be buffed as planned. The super test plans can change. (I have my fingers crossed)

 

it will buff, but not on 9.20, probbably 9.21 or whatewa name of that next version name.




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