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Poll: Penetration buff for some older tanks (68 members have cast votes)

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Do you think the 112 and the IS-6 need this penetration buff?

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    Percentage of vote: 22.06%

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_SkyreZ_ #1 Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

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Greetings!

I am a fairly old player of the game and I have an old premium tank in my garage, the 112. With the addition of the new premium tanks, such as the T26E5 P, the Obj. 252 U (Defender) and the Crysler GF, I am sad to see how some old premium tanks, the 112 and the IS-6 are becoming incompetetive. These tanks don't have superior armor to compensate for their lack of penetration. The 112 has decent armor, but tanks with decent crews can just snapshot the lower plate, viewport or, with little aiming, hit the cupola. The IS-6 doesn't even have great armor on it's side. (They are both effective side-scraper tanks, though. I have to give this to them). These tanks both have preferencial matchmaking, solely because of their bad armor penetration. If they are used properly, these tanks could survive in tier X with proper armor angling. Both are good at side-scraping and face-hugging. They would only need a better gun. I think we need to admit that a premium tank loses it's purpose if you need to use gold against even some equal tier opponents.

 

175mm of armor penetration is for tier 7 heavies. Two tier 8 premium heavy tanks would deserve more armor penetration at the cost of losing their special matchmaking. I,and many other people are paying customers of the company and we feel forgotten. We payed roughly the same amount of money that people pay for the new premium tanks, yet our old ones are simply unable to compete against the newer premiums. (assuming the two players have similar skill level).

 

I,along with lots of other people who own these tanks,(which used to be really good moneymakers that were strong enough to compete other premiums, each other, and the non-premium tanks) feel like we are slightly betrayed by the developers. (I am aware of the 112's armor buff, I am thankful for that, I should say). I would like to request the dear developers to increse the penetration values of the 112 and the IS-6 at the cost of taking away their preferencial matchmaking. I don't expect these tanks to become complete beasts, I would be more than happy with these two recieving just a small penetration increse, boosting their value from 175 to somewhere around 210-215. This would also require a decrese to their DPM, since otherwise they would be overpowered.

This would increse the demand for these old premium tanks greatly. Being honest, these tanks are certainly not cheap, and with more people wanting to buy them, they can be great money-makers for both the players and the company as well.

 

I hope you take my suggestion into consideration.

Sincerely, an old WoT player.

 


Edited by _SkyreZ_, 09 August 2017 - 04:12 PM.


mango91 #2 Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:34 PM

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so this is your second acco, right?

lord_chipmonk #3 Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:38 PM

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Honestly, no. Providing the MM calms down in the next patch, then they're certainly fine. IMO at least. 

Cobra6 #4 Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:50 PM

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If their MM remains the same as now, mostly T9 matches, they need a penetration buff.

 

Back before the MM was changed, you rarely saw T9 tanks in your matches and you had a far higher chance of being in T8 =>T6 matches, not anymore though.

 

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Spurtung #5 Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:05 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 08 August 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

Honestly, no. Providing the MM calms down in the next patch, then they're certainly fine. IMO at least. 

 

That's the thing, calm down doesn't really cut it. The premium match making is a farce atm, and I'm pretty sure owners of these tanks would be better off losing said PMM while seeing the tanks updated.

lord_chipmonk #6 Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:07 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 08 August 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

That's the thing, calm down doesn't really cut it. The premium match making is a farce atm, and I'm pretty sure owners of these tanks would be better off losing said PMM while seeing the tanks updated.

 

Whereas I disagree. I think the "poor" state of the MM atm is rather overstated. It could do with some work, sure, but tanks like the IS-6 and 112 are ok as is. Not great I grant you, but alright. And yes, I have played them under this matchmaker. 

thestaggy #7 Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:10 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 08 August 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

 

That's the thing, calm down doesn't really cut it. The premium match making is a farce atm, and I'm pretty sure owners of these tanks would be better off losing said PMM while seeing the tanks updated.

 

I'd take an IS-3 gun on my IS-6 and lose PMM in a heartbeat. It is a credit sink to play now, not a credit earner. Full APCR (which doesn't help against most of the heavies you see anyway) or go home.

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 08 August 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

 

Whereas I disagree. I think the "poor" state of the MM atm is rather overstated. It could do with some work, sure, but tanks like the IS-6 and 112 are ok as is. Not great I grant you, but alright. And yes, I have played them under this matchmaker. 

 

So have I. And do you ever get to see a single tier 6?

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View PostSpurtung, on 08 August 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

So have I. And do you ever get to see a single tier 6?

 

Yes.

 

Don't get me wrong, as I said above, I would like the pref. MM tanks to see fewer tier 9 matches, and yes MM atm is a bit screwey, but all the moaning going on at the moment would lead one to think things are worse than they are. 

 

Edit: 26:25 shows one such game in my KV-5. 

https://www.youtube....h?v=u_NJ24lOZq4


Edited by lord_chipmonk, 08 August 2017 - 02:24 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 08 August 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

If their MM remains the same as now, mostly T9 matches, they need a penetration buff.

 

Tbh it's not the tier 9 matches I hate in my IS-6. It's the pure tier 8 games full of VK 100.01, Defenders and T26E5's etc. Then again, let's see how the MM for tier 8 works after 9.20. As the new 30 vs 30 mode at tier X will pull more into that. And it might affect tier 8 and 9 to. And in the end, tier 8 special MM.

 

Tho regardless, some of them do need a pen buff. But as has been said before. KV-5 and IS-6 is most likely up for a buff in 9.21. As atm they said within the next two patches. And nothing for 9.20. Tho they said nothing about the Chinese 122mm guns with 175 pen. But at least they have 250 HEAT pen, and not 219 pen trying to pen a 240mm cupola.



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Thank you guys for your replies. Yes, this is a reroll account, but I have been playing for 3 and a half years overall. I have played with both of these vehicles earlier and they were useable. However, now with VK 100.01 P ,Defender, Crysler GF and T26E5s being around, it is much harder to have decent battles, let alone actually profit from them.
 

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View PostBalc0ra, on 08 August 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Tbh it's not the tier 9 matches I hate in my IS-6. It's the pure tier 8 games full of VK 100.01, Defenders and T26E5's etc. Then again, let's see how the MM for tier 8 works after 9.20. As the new 30 vs 30 mode at tier X will pull more into that. And it might affect tier 8 and 9 to. And in the end, tier 8 special MM.

 

Tho regardless, some of them do need a pen buff. But as has been said before. KV-5 and IS-6 is most likely up for a buff in 9.21. As atm they said within the next two patches. And nothing for 9.20. Tho they said nothing about the Chinese 122mm guns with 175 pen. But at least they have 250 HEAT pen, and not 219 pen trying to pen a 240mm cupola.

 

Trust me, HEAT shells are a lot worse sometimes. Defenders, IS-3s, IS-5s just eat the shells with their spaced armor. Of course, a little aiming can solve the problem, but the APCR shells of the IS-6 would just burst through their sides most of the time, while I have to wait 3+ seconds to aim and still have a great chance of missing the soft spot.
 

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You forgot to add WZ-111 also, 175 pen with terrible gun handling and bad precision...

It was ok before the new 'improved' MM and the new powercreep premiums, now it is just a xp pinata for the enemy.



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View Postlaulaur, on 08 August 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

You forgot to add WZ-111 also, 175 pen with terrible gun handling and bad precision...

It was ok before the new 'improved' MM and the new powercreep premiums, now it is just a xp pinata for the enemy.

 

Let's say that every 175 pen tier 8 is just not worthy. It will not break game balance to make them competitive with their peers. :coin:

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Add wz111 to the poll please

1ucky #15 Posted 08 August 2017 - 08:00 PM

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Since the 112 has 250mm HEAT pen and huge amounts of ammo, while the IS-6 has 219mm APCR pen and carries relatively few ammo, you can't seriously put those two tanks in the same thread with the same proposal.

They're different enough, ammo-wise, to deserve each it's own treatment.

(Even though on the surface to some it may seem they're the same cause their AP pen of 175mm is the same. But that's only a fraction of the whole picture.)

 

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Also, people have not paid just to get Tier 8 moneymakers with some gun stats, however good or bad they may be.

They've paid for special MM status, too.

So, their special MM status is a very important part of those tanks, you can't give that up just because you don't like their gun or whatever.

Argue for gun changes all you like, but special MM is off limits.

At least they're two very separate topics, anyway.

 

 


Edited by 1ucky, 08 August 2017 - 08:10 PM.


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I am afraid that if they get to buff those tanks they will buff turret armor. :hiding:

Search_Warrant #17 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:44 AM

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you want 2k base DPM with good pen and 390 alpha at tier 8 along with armor AND preff? hell no.

Toni112007 #18 Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:59 AM

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Yes, but I also think JT88 needs a penetration buff to 232. 

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View PostToni112007, on 09 August 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

Yes, but I also think JT88 needs a penetration buff to 232. 

 

I don't have this tank, but faced countless times. that pen with the actual rof would be insane imo

Lord_Edge #20 Posted 09 August 2017 - 08:27 AM

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Of course it's a yes, anyone selecting no is simply trolling.





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