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CoDiGGo #1 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:06 PM

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I dont want to face overpowered/overperforming/unbalanced P2W tank anymore. Players unhhapy because they face p2W/op.

 

And I dont want it to be sold in this state even during one day, because tier 8 sh will become Defender festival as tier 6 sh is T34-85 M festival now  :angry:. Players unhappy because cant buy it, unhappy because you sell it again.

 

So imo for wg*, the game balance and the players happiness the only solution is a nerf, the sooner the better.

 

* Defender makes other prems. less attractive, and generate frustation/discomfort/impotence: because you could not get it anymore or next opportunity is uncertain. And as enemy is one step higher than the rest, unbalnced, and as premium P2W.


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lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:11 PM

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Yeah, WG should scrap this whole "don't nerf premium tanks" policy. Just my 2 cents. 

Ceeb #3 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:12 PM

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Mine must be broken,  

 

Doesn't seem OP at all to me OP. 

 

 



Jigabachi #4 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:14 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 09 August 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Yeah, WG should scrap this whole "don't nerf premium tanks" policy. Just my 2 cents. 

I agree for the sake of a better game, but then all the people who bought premtanks would go berserk...



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View PostCoDiGGo, on 09 August 2017 - 01:06 PM, said:

I dont want to face overpowered/overperforming/unbalanced P2W tank anymore. Players unhhapy because they face p2W/op.

 

And I dont want it to be sold in this state even during one day, because tier 8 sh will become Defender festival as tier 6 sh is T34-85 M festival now  :angry:. Players unhappy because cant buy it, unhappy because you sell it again.

 

So imo for wg*, the game balance and the players happiness the only solution is a nerf, the sooner the better.

 

* Defender makes other prems. less attractive, and generate frustation/discomfort/impotence: because you could not get it anymore or next opportunity is uncertain. And as enemy is one step higher than the rest, unbalnced, and as premium P2W.

 

Am I the only one who does not have any problem in taking out Defenders? :amazed:

Sure they got very good armor so tomatoes can yolo and shoot few times, but also pretty obvious weakspots and slow rate of fire. But is not really a monster tank, I prefer to face a defender frontally than a Chrysler as they forgot to implement any frontal weakspot.

 

View Postlord_chipmonk, on 09 August 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Yeah, WG should scrap this whole "don't nerf premium tanks" policy. Just my 2 cents. 

 

If they do that fine, I want back all my money though. :coin:

Havoc7926 #6 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:21 PM

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The problem is that WG have very little left in the way of 'good will' after recent decisions and especially selling some of the 'never to be sold again' tanks.  Once they demonstrate that they will change the stats on premium tanks then nobody is going to buy any more because they have no clue what they are paying for.  

 

In other news I'm not a great player but don't have any more problems against the defender than a lot of the other premium tanks out there.  Guess I must have got lucky.



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View PostCeeb, on 09 August 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

Mine must be broken,  

 

Doesn't seem OP at all to me OP. 

 

 

 

Oh so is that why it's your best performing tier 8? 

Ceeb #8 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

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View PostHavoc7926, on 09 August 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

The problem is that WG have very little left in the way of 'good will' after recent decisions and especially selling some of the 'never to be sold again' tanks.  Once they demonstrate that they will change the stats on premium tanks then nobody is going to buy any more because they have no clue what they are paying for.  

 

In other news I'm not a great player but don't have any more problems against the defender than a lot of the other premium tanks out there.  Guess I must have got lucky.

 

They must be keeping the biggest Edited attitude regarding the Type-59 for a rainy day then. 

 

 

 

View PostJunglist_, on 09 August 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

Oh so is that why it's your best performing tier 8? 

 

Is it ? Apologies, never looked at my stats in Months

 

well, its been out once in the last 60-70 days. 


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Sir_Bad #9 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:28 PM

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I'll just quote myself from another thread:

 

View PostSir_Bad, on 09 August 2017 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is the problem with the idiotic rules set for premiums by WG. They introduced premiums, that are far to powerful for their tier, yet they can't nerf them, because it is their policy to not nerf premium tanks. When they nerfed the SuperPershing a few years back, they gave out a full compensation in gold to everyone, that didn't want to keep the tank in its nerfed state. Imagine that for Defender, Patriot, Liberte and Skorpion, while also remembering, that a compensation in gold is useless these days, since you can't do all that much with it, so most players would be pissed of.

This situation leaves them in a spot, where they can only buff the other 300+ tanks, hence the current powercreep situation.



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I bought the T-34-85M when it was total crap which you can see from its stats. Does that make it ok then? :-)

 

On my Defender I have 41% WR and 837 WN8. Somehow people pen me left, front and center whenever I take this to battle. I even do more damage in my Rudy than in this thing.

 

I'm guessing the underperforming is rather a PEBKAC issue, but still. I just hate the thing. The Patriot is a much better tank.



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View PostJunglist_, on 09 August 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

Oh so is that why it's your best performing tier 8? 

 

Ok according to wotstats, (I hate you as I had to go and look)  

 

It seems it is, but dont enjoy it, i seem to be penned by every toe rag, Id rather take the Lorr 40t. out over the 252.... maybe I'll start padding with the 252.. 

 

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lord_chipmonk #12 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:33 PM

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View PostJigabachi, on 09 August 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

I agree for the sake of a better game, but then all the people who bought premtanks would go berserk...

 

Tough for them. Heck, I'm one of the people who bought the tank(s) and I think they should be buffed/nerfed in line with everything else. 

Edited by lord_chipmonk, 09 August 2017 - 01:34 PM.


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EXACTLY.... only solution is nerf but will they do it?... i think no, because these tanks are sold for real money and if they give you ingame gold it will be useless for you.... like i said, WG is in deep Edited right now.... they cant sell tanks, they cant nerf tanks.... omg this is new level of Edited from WG

 


 agree with you 100%

View PostSir_Bad, on 09 August 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

I'll just quote myself from another thread:

 

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MrEdweird #14 Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:39 PM

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View PostHavoc7926, on 09 August 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

The problem is that WG have very little left in the way of 'good will' after recent decisions and especially selling some of the 'never to be sold again' tanks.  Once they demonstrate that they will change the stats on premium tanks then nobody is going to buy any more because they have no clue what they are paying for.  

 

In other news I'm not a great player but don't have any more problems against the defender than a lot of the other premium tanks out there.  Guess I must have got lucky.

 

People already don't have an idea what they are paying for, just the illusion that they know.

The game changes with every patch, and premium tanks are affected either directly or indirectly in ways they were not being affected at the time of purchase.

 

It's in the EULA, if you buy it, you do so under the understanding that the game WILL CHANGE and so can your premium tanks.

WG said that they are moving away from the philosophy that prem tanks need to be worse than tech tree tanks but they took it too far with Skorp G, Liberte, Patriot and Defender etc.

 

That being said, I slightly regret buying the 112 now, because limited matchmaking tanks suck in general for me and now that they are at the messed up tier of 8, it's two-fold. I simply find it impossible to get a good game without spamming HEAT and HE.


Edited by MrEdweird, 09 August 2017 - 01:42 PM.


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View PostMrEdweird, on 09 August 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:

That being said, I slightly regret buying the 112 now, because limited matchmaking tanks suck in general for me and now that they are at the messed up tier of 8, it's two-fold. I simply find it impossible to get a good game without spamming HEAT and HE.

 

I loved the 112. That week post buff, Man used to have wet dreams of how good it was.... People complaining it was over powered then.... 

 

Then a week later they released the Patriot and the liberte,  then it was "balanced"  

 

Oh how happy I am. 



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My Defender is great vs T6 and T7, some T8's, most know how to take it out with ease now though and it mainly sees T8/9/10. You get the occasional lucky bounce vs a T10 TD, but for me that's just a big Edited you to the matchmaker for putting a T8 up against a T10 in the first place.

 

I do agree with the sentiment though, premium tanks should not be immune to rebalancing by the devs if the evidence supports its requirement (like it clearly does with this tank). A happy mid-ground could be found, nerf the tank to bring it in line for the tier but give owners a 30% discount token off of another premium tank of the same tier or something. That way you get a balanced tank, plus some money off another if you choose.

 

BTW, all the moan about the Defender, I found my Type 64 to be the most overpowered premium that I own (granted, I don't own that many). My rating in that little tank is way higher than anything else I have driven for over 100 games. Anyone else love that thing?

 

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View PostMrEdweird, on 09 August 2017 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

People already don't have an idea what they are paying for, just the illusion that they know.

The game changes with every patch, and premium tanks are affected either directly or indirectly in ways they were not being affected at the time of purchase.

 

It's in the EULA, if you buy it, you do so under the understanding that the game WILL CHANGE and so can your premium tanks.

WG said that they are moving away from the philosophy that prem tanks need to be worse than tech tree tanks but they took it too far with Skorp G, Liberte, Patriot and Defender etc.

 

That being said, I slightly regret buying the 112 now, because limited matchmaking tanks suck in general for me and now that they are at the messed up tier of 8, it's two-fold. I simply find it impossible to get a good game without spamming HEAT and HE.

 

i think those tanks are better than tech tree tanks because they are "real money only" tanks.... all new tanks with normal stats are available for gold

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Can't say it's been a big problem for me. Maybe your approach to it needs modification ?

 

When I see a defender, I don't rush off to try and kill it, try and face off a fight I can't win. No, I go and shoot the stuff I can kill. take down the rest of the team, gain a numbers advantage. it's got a slow ROF. superior numbers always win in this game. that's why platoons and team play generally win out.



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Well thank goodness for arty focus on Premium tanks then ;)

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View PostCeeb, on 09 August 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

Mine must be broken,  

 

Doesn't seem OP at all to me OP. 

 

 

 

Because it's not about you. It's about the overall performance of a tank. If you don't get the most Edited  armor to work, maybe it tells more about you than the tank itself.

 

 

 

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