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Request - Move leopard 1 to Russian tech tree

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Beltalowda #1 Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:44 PM

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As the title says, this might be the only way to buff the Leopard 1. On Vbaddict you can see that Obj 140 has 49.15% WR and it's getting a buff, while Leopard 1 sits at 47.30% WR and it's been ignored for Years.

 

AMX 30B will get insane RoF and slightly stronger turret. Patton will get impenetrable turret if you choose to ignore the smaller copula, which will be hard to hit if the driver will be working the ridge lines properly.

 

 So what does Leopard 1 have compare to those mediums ?

  • The worst rate of fire, only 121 has a slower reload with a higher alpha and Cent X is slower by only 0.1s
  • The worst soft stats while moving and track traverse
  • Aiming time is a lie since the soft stats are atrocious 
  • It's also one of the heaviest mediums which is no help to you having no armor, so forget ramming :)
  • At least it does have a good gun depression if nothing else

 

So I would like to ask you kindly people at WG to move this medium to your favorite and go to buff tech tree in this game. You know your best ever at everything Russian tech tree.

 

Thank you.

 

With regards, 

 

Annoyed tanker.

 


Edited by Jbnn, 10 August 2017 - 06:14 AM.
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Hiisi #2 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:10 PM

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Dpm aint the worst, but tank is just crap. No armor, weak ammorack, rather poor gamo and worst gunhandling ever.

 

It needs to get great soft stats, , more hp/t, 0.28 accuracy and -10 depression and better dpm. Then it might not underperform that much.



brumbarr #3 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:13 PM

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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

Aiming time is a lie since the soft stats are atrocious 

 

 

Euhm no? Aiming time isnt a lie, aiming time is exaclty what it is supposed to be.



Beltalowda #4 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:14 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 02:13 PM, said:

Euhm no? Aiming time isnt a lie, aiming time is exaclty what it is supposed to be.

 

Move your tank a little bit, turn a turret and then tell me the aiming time is 1.9 sec, because it is not.

brumbarr #5 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:15 PM

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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

 

Move your tank a little bit, turn a turret and then tell me the aiming time is 1.9 sec, because it is not.

 

the problem is that you dont know what aiming time does.

Beltalowda #6 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:17 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

 

the problem is that you dont know what aiming time does.

 

The problem is that you holding a grudge, that's all. It's ok everyone needs a hobby.

 



brumbarr #7 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

 

The problem is that you holding a grudge, that's all. It's ok everyone needs a hobby.

 

 

A grudge? why? I dont even know you.

Balc0ra #8 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

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Leo 1 is stuck on a 49.07% WR on EU on stats pulled from the server, not based on the sites users. 140 has a 51.17% on EU... But EU stats have never been a cause to buff anything tbh. As the IS-3 got his magical side armor buff, even with the 50% WR on EU. But since it had a 44% WR on RU, it got that buff. As RU stats decides it, not how it fairs on the other servers. As RU have more players at peak hours then the other servers combined.

 

On RU the Leo 1 has a 51% WR. 140 has a 49%. So I suspect the Leo 1 will remain as is for a while still.

 

 

 



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I agree it needs a buff badly but...

 

How would moving it to russian help? :amazed:



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Jesus if wg balances game by global wr. time to bail out...

brumbarr #11 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:42 PM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 August 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

I agree it needs a buff badly but...

 

How would moving it to russian help? :amazed:

 

Because russian bias, that why the tier10 russian heavys are superior to other nation and especially germany... Oh, wait...

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

 

Because russian bias, that why the tier10 russian heavys are superior to other nation and especially germany... Oh, wait...

 

I call this the "Tiger Effect".

 

Early shock when you start playing WoT only for that tank to find is a wet paper target rather than a steel fortress.

I though we were after that phase though

 



Beltalowda #13 Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:52 PM

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What was the most played medium in Ranked ?  Obj 140.

I have not played CW for a long time, but again 140 was one of the most used mediums back then, and I assume it still holds that position. So why buff already a good medium and leave out this one untouched ?

 

Yes, yes, Batchat was used both in Ranked and CW as well, I know that. But that is a different story. 

 

To Brumbarr: Are you of that opinion that Leopard 1 is in no need of buffing ? And if yes, can you share your opinion why it does not need a buff ? 



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Leo1 buff... Yeah at this point you could as well remove that tank, its pathetic and super bad.

Beltalowda #15 Posted 09 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 09 August 2017 - 02:58 PM, said:

Leo1 buff... Yeah at this point you could as well remove that tank, its pathetic and super bad.

 

I would not say it's super bad, but it does struggle against the rest of the mediums. And with all the armor buffs, I don't see a reason why it could not have at least slightly better soft stats, if nothing else.

Edited by TrewSx, 09 August 2017 - 04:02 PM.


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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

What was the most played medium in Ranked ?  Obj 140.

I have not played CW for a long time, but again 140 was one of the most used mediums back then, and I assume it still holds that position. So why buff already a good medium and leave out this one untouched ?

 

Yes, yes, Batchat was used both in Ranked and CW as well, I know that. But that is a different story. 

 

To Brumbarr: Are you of that opinion that Leopard 1 is in no need of buffing ? And if yes, can you share your opinion why it does not need a buff ? 

 

Ofcourse the leo one needs a buff, it is a paper platform with bad dpm so it should have an excellent gun, so I would  give it the same dispersion values as the amx 30B on test server, buff the rof to patton levels  and keep the  rest. Then it will have a deadly gun, it would be balanced since no other single shot  med has such bad armor

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

 

Ofcourse the leo one needs a buff, it is a paper platform with bad dpm so it should have an excellent gun, so I would  give it the same dispersion values as the amx 30B on test server, buff the rof to patton levels  and keep the  rest. Then it will have a deadly gun, it would be balanced since no other single shot  med has such bad armor

 

Thank you.

ZlatanArKung #18 Posted 09 August 2017 - 04:23 PM

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Aim time is the time it takes to reduce reticule to 1/3 of its size. Or something along those lines.
Not the time it takes to get fully aimed.

And the difference is.
Aim times tells you how fast the reticule shrinks (at which speed) and NOT how long time it takes to get fully aimed.

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Well, one could argue that leo isnt the worst t10 med in the game :XD

 

121b and 95e6 are worse :XD



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View PostZlatanArKung, on 09 August 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Aim time is the time it takes to reduce reticule to 1/3 of its size. Or something along those lines.

 

Yes that is true, i did not think of that, my bad.

 

View PostDr_Oolen, on 09 August 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

Well, one could argue that leo isnt the worst t10 med in the game :XD

 

121b and 95e6 are worse :XD

 

Cool, it's not the worst tier X med yet, so just ignore it until it becomes the worst.

Edited by TrewSx, 09 August 2017 - 05:08 PM.





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