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Request - Move leopard 1 to Russian tech tree

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Enforcer1975 #21 Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:11 PM

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View PostHiisi, on 09 August 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

Jesus if wg balances game by global wr. time to bail out...

 

Aren't they already doing it?

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 09 August 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

Well, one could argue that leo isnt the worst t10 med in the game :XD

 

121b and 95e6 are worse :XD

Pls, 121b is a great tier9 medium!

 

View PostEnforcer1975, on 09 August 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

 

Aren't they already doing it?

Noone knows by what they balance it, looking at the last buffs I would say they use the ' spin the vodkabotlle' technique.


 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Pls, 121b is a great tier9 medium!

 

true, too bad it has special mm :(

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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

Noone knows by what they balance it, looking at the last buffs I would say they use the ' spin the vodkabotlle' technique.

 

I had the same feeling. But you should have stated that it is an empty bottle since the vodka itself was consumed by the players playing "spin the bottle".

I like how they changed the guns on the T54 after only 1.5 years, yet they dont do the same for the Obj. 430 version II. Funny joke DADAD AD ADADA DA DAA.

 

 



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View PostHiisi, on 09 August 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

Dpm aint the worst, but tank is just crap. No armor, weak ammorack, rather poor gamo and worst gunhandling ever.

 

It needs to get great soft stats, , more hp/t, 0.28 accuracy and -10 depression and better dpm. Then it might not underperform that much.

 

Always baffled me how the Leopard 1 - a tank from the 60s(50s prototypes don't count) built around the idea to be devastatingly accurate is less accurate than WWII blueprint tanks in this game.

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I think I am being naive to hope they will properly balance tanks which need it the most. After all this WG we are talking about and they have only 6+ years experience in alienating the community with their "balancing" decisions.

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View Post_Sentinel_, on 09 August 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

 

Always baffled me how the Leopard 1 - a tank from the 60s(50s prototypes don't count) built around the idea to be devastatingly accurate is less accurate than WWII blueprint tanks in this game.

 

I guess they base on their data. I doubt they ever consider what the tank should be at all when they balance. The only thing they somehow share with real tanks is the model, but that's it. :girl:

 

View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

I think I am being naive to hope they will properly balance tanks which need it the most. After all this WG we are talking about and they have only 6+ years experience in alienating the community with their "balancing" decisions.

 

Being devil's advocate, but you will always raise a grudge from someone when you do stuff. You simply can't please everybody. :coin:

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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 August 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

 

I guess they base on their data. I doubt they ever consider what the tank should be at all when they balance. The only thing they somehow share with real tanks is the model, but that's it. :girl:

 

 

Being devil's advocate, but you will always raise a grudge from someone when you do stuff. You simply can't please everybody. :coin:

How does buffing a UP tank  make anyone angry?



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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 05:49 PM, said:

How does buffing a UP tank  make anyone angry?

 

No idea, but every re balance you will see angry posts, especially for the higher tiers. Maus, Foch, Type 4 - 5 are some examples, I expect same for the russian, french and american buffs. People reacts like people usually do.

 

I rather follow the policy that everything is fine, is their game, I will play it as long as is fun, if they change it for something I don't like, I simply stop playing it. :girl:



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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 August 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

No idea, but every re balance you will see angry posts, especially for the higher tiers. Maus, Foch, Type 4 - 5 are some examples, I expect same for the russian, french and american buffs. People reacts like people usually do.

 

There is a difference between overbuffing stuff like with the Maus and it's buffed HP, RoF, Aiming time, Accuracy, Dispersion and Armor, they basically buffed friking everything. And buffing a soft stats on one of the most under performing tier X mediums in-game. 

What else can they buff on Leopard 1, armor ? Like what, adding 1 mm extra armor all around and we are done with it for the next 50 Years ?

 

As it was said before, give it same RoF like Patton, better soft stats and I'll be happy with it. Why do I have to spend like 4 seconds waiting for my aiming circle to shrink down when I have no bloody armor. There are heavy tanks with better gun handling and they can at least bounce a crap unlike this paper thing.

 

PS: Maybe -10 gun depression as well. 

All these new derp guns wreck you big time, arty will always focus you down since it is easy dmg if they hit, even splash still takes it's toll on you. When people see you they go all Cherokee at you, because you hardly bounce anything. But that's all part of the tank, that's ok, just make it better at what it's suppose to be good at. Bloody gun, that's what this tank is all about, so make it happen God damn it.

 


Edited by TrewSx, 09 August 2017 - 06:31 PM.


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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

There is a difference between overbuffing stuff like with the Maus and it's buffed HP, RoF, Aiming time, Accuracy, Dispersion and Armor, they basically buffed friking everything. And buffing a soft stats on one of the most under performing tier X mediums in-game. 

What else can they buff on Leopard 1, armor ? Like what, adding 1 mm extra armor all around and we are done with it for the next 50 Years ?

 

You never know with WG what they will decide to do.

 

They might buff it decently or overbuff it like those. Either case somebody is deemed to be unsatisfied. :coin:



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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 August 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

You never know with WG what they will decide to do.

 

They might buff it decently or overbuff it like those. Either case somebody is deemed to be unsatisfied. :coin:

 

Yeah, I know. Wishful thinking man, wishful bloody thinking.

 

It still deserves a buff, especially after that Obj 140 BS.


Edited by TrewSx, 09 August 2017 - 06:36 PM.


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View PostTrewSx, on 09 August 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

There is a difference between overbuffing stuff like with the Maus and it's buffed HP, RoF, Aiming time, Accuracy, Dispersion and Armor, they basically buffed friking everything. And buffing a soft stats on one of the most under performing tier X mediums in-game. 

What else can they buff on Leopard 1, armor ? Like what, adding 1 mm extra armor all around and we are done with it for the next 50 Years ?

 

As it was said before, give it same RoF like Patton, better soft stats and I'll be happy with it. Why do I have to spend like 4 seconds waiting for my aiming circle to shrink down when I have no bloody armor. There are heavy tanks with better gun handling and they can at least bounce a crap unlike this paper thing.

 

PS: Maybe -10 gun depression as well. 

All these new derp guns wreck you big time, arty will always focus you down since it is easy dmg if they hit, even splash still takes it's toll on you. When people see you they go all Cherokee at you, because you hardly bounce anything. But that's all part of the tank, that's ok, just make it better at what it's suppose to be good at. Bloody gun, that's what this tank is all about, so make it happen God damn it.

 

Fun fact: Is7 now has better softstats than leopard 1.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 August 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Fun fact: Is7 now has better softstats than leopard 1.

 

Of course it does, it's not like the IS-7 never bounces anything.

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Moving the Leopard 1 to the Russian tech tree doesn't sound that bad. I would also love to see my 121B moved to the Russian tech tree, but I would also be happy with a refund for the 121B (choosing another tank).

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View PostY_O_L_0, on 09 August 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

Moving the Leopard 1 to the Russian tech tree doesn't sound that bad. I would also love to see my 121B moved to the Russian tech tree, but I would also be happy with a refund for the 121B (choosing another tank).

Carefull, if the 121b is treated the same way as the obj430, it wont help much. WG seems to habe forgotten that tank.






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