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banjoman150 #1 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:40 AM

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First of all i am not a fan of limited MM tanks even though i own a bunch of them myself and i think it makes T6-7 tanks run into T8 tanks too often while there are new premium tanks that are on a totally different level performancewise so they outperform the older limited MM tanks on a scale that is redicilous. In my mind the solution would be to remove the limited MM status of those tanks and increase their performance accordingly


 

Also when im talking about armor rebalances its always "front towards you" meaning as if its an enemy tank with the front facing you


 

I urge you to have a look at the armor collison models at tanks.gg while thinking about my proposed armor changes.  || https://tanks.gg/list ||


 


 

Super Pershing T26E4


 

Mobility:

Engine gets changed to the topengine on the standard M26 Pershing with 704 instead of 500hp


 

Armorchanges:

Total HP increased to 1600


 

Gun:

Better penetration because of new ammo [basically same penetration performance as T7 scorpion TD]

Standard AP 219mm

Premiumammo HEAT with 275mm pen

ROF buff to 8 rpm

DPM: 1920 base


 


 


 

WZ-111


 

Armorchanes:

Both turret cupolas from 150mm to 160mm giving it increased chance to bounce shots of equal tiered heavies when they do not hit the middle of those cupolas


 

Gun characteristincs

Increasing its accuracy from 0.44 to .38

Aimtime reduced from 3 seconds to 2.7 seconds

Standard ammo chanded for APCR with 221 pen

Premiumammo chanded to HEAT with 270 pen


 


 


 

112


 

Armor changes:

No armor changes as its armor is fine for a T8 tank and actually better than averange.


 

Gun characteristics:

Accuracy from 0,46 to 0,42

Aimtime from 3,4 to 3 seconds

Standardammo from 175mm AP to 221 APCR

Premiumammo from 217 APCR to 270 HEAT


 


 

KV5 

This tank has been obsolete for quite some time now and i think its overdue to up its characteristics in a way that is fun and still balanced.


 

Armor changes:

Total HP nerfed from 1780 to 1700 HP

Frontal turretarmor without "cheecks" from 180 to 190mm including the mantlet

The left big "R2D2" turret from 140mm to 180mm allround exept the 150mm spot wich stays unchanged.

right smaller frontturret weakspot has an area of 140mm --> goes to 160 mm

Reararmor nerfed to 120 mm

Rearturret nerfed to 140mm


 

Gun:

Gun gets replaced with the 107mm Zis-24 (KV-4 topgun)

Standardammo 227mm AP  [old is 167mm]

Premiumammo 289mm APCR [old is 219mm]

ROF: 5,8 [old is 7]

Damage: 320 [old is 300]

DPM: 1850 [old is 2100]

Aimtime: 3,0 seconds [old is 2,9]

Accuracy: 0,40 [old is 0,42]

Dispersion values stay the same as current KV5 wich are pretty good.


 


 


 

IS6

I know this tank has (had) alot of fans and touching it will probably cause quite of bit of uproar even compared to other tanks. It used to be one of the top premium tanks with its superb all around armor enabling it to stomp on lower tiered tanks. Nowadays its merely a shadow of its former self. (powercreep much) So ... here i go


 

Armor changes:

Frontal upperplate armor from 100mm to 120mm. 110mm for the driverhatch stays the same

Sidearmor behind tracks: from 100mm to 80mm. Sidearmor above tracks from 100mm to 90mm

Those changes give it good frontal armor but make it easier for lower tiered tanks to track and damage the tank at the same time when overangling.

Basically focusing the armor on the front. This allows for an easy "front towards enemy" playstyle balanced out by a bit weaker sidearmor


 

Gun characteristics:

Standardammo from 175mm AP to 221mm APCR

Premiumammo from 217 to 270mm HEAT

Accuracy from 0,46 to 0,44

Aimtime from 3,4 to 3,0 seconds


 


 


Edited by banjoman150, 11 August 2017 - 03:04 AM.


1ucky #2 Posted 11 August 2017 - 05:59 AM

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View Postbanjoman150, on 11 August 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

First of all i am not a fan of limited MM tanks even though i own a bunch of them myself and i think it makes T6-7 tanks run into T8 tanks too often while there are new premium tanks that are on a totally different level performancewise so they outperform the older limited MM tanks on a scale that is redicilous. In my mind the solution would be to remove the limited MM status of those tanks and increase their performance accordingly


 

Also when im talking about armor rebalances its always "front towards you" meaning as if its an enemy tank with the front facing you


 

I urge you to have a look at the armor collison models at tanks.gg while thinking about my proposed armor changes.  || https://tanks.gg/list ||


 


 

Super Pershing T26E4


 

Mobility:

Engine gets changed to the topengine on the standard M26 Pershing with 704 instead of 500hp


 

Armorchanges:

Total HP increased to 1600


 

Gun:

Better penetration because of new ammo [basically same penetration performance as T7 scorpion TD]

Standard AP 219mm

Premiumammo HEAT with 275mm pen

ROF buff to 8 rpm

DPM: 1920 base


 


 


 

WZ-111


 

Armorchanes:

Both turret cupolas from 150mm to 160mm giving it increased chance to bounce shots of equal tiered heavies when they do not hit the middle of those cupolas


 

Gun characteristincs

Increasing its accuracy from 0.44 to .38

Aimtime reduced from 3 seconds to 2.7 seconds

Standard ammo chanded for APCR with 221 pen

Premiumammo chanded to HEAT with 270 pen


 


 


 

112


 

Armor changes:

No armor changes as its armor is fine for a T8 tank and actually better than averange.


 

Gun characteristics:

Accuracy from 0,46 to 0,42

Aimtime from 3,4 to 3 seconds

Standardammo from 175mm AP to 221 APCR

Premiumammo from 217 APCR to 270 HEAT


 


 

KV5 

This tank has been obsolete for quite some time now and i think its overdue to up its characteristics in a way that is fun and still balanced.


 

Armor changes:

Total HP nerfed from 1780 to 1700 HP

Frontal turretarmor without "cheecks" from 180 to 190mm including the mantlet

The left big "R2D2" turret from 140mm to 180mm allround exept the 150mm spot wich stays unchanged.

right smaller frontturret weakspot has an area of 140mm --> goes to 160 mm

Reararmor nerfed to 120 mm

Rearturret nerfed to 140mm


 

Gun:

Gun gets replaced with the 107mm Zis-24 (KV-4 topgun)

Standardammo 227mm AP  [old is 167mm]

Premiumammo 289mm APCR [old is 219mm]

ROF: 5,8 [old is 7]

Damage: 320 [old is 300]

DPM: 1850 [old is 2100]

Aimtime: 3,0 seconds [old is 2,9]

Accuracy: 0,40 [old is 0,42]

Dispersion values stay the same as current KV5 wich are pretty good.


 


 


 

IS6

I know this tank has (had) alot of fans and touching it will probably cause quite of bit of uproar even compared to other tanks. It used to be one of the top premium tanks with its superb all around armor enabling it to stomp on lower tiered tanks. Nowadays its merely a shadow of its former self. (powercreep much) So ... here i go


 

Armor changes:

Frontal upperplate armor from 100mm to 120mm. 110mm for the driverhatch stays the same

Sidearmor behind tracks: from 100mm to 80mm. Sidearmor above tracks from 100mm to 90mm

Those changes give it good frontal armor but make it easier for lower tiered tanks to track and damage the tank at the same time when overangling.

Basically focusing the armor on the front. This allows for an easy "front towards enemy" playstyle balanced out by a bit weaker sidearmor


 

Gun characteristics:

Standardammo from 175mm AP to 221mm APCR

Premiumammo from 217 to 270mm HEAT

Accuracy from 0,46 to 0,44

Aimtime from 3,4 to 3,0 seconds


 


 

Title:

"(...) without nerfing them."

 

Proposal:

Full of armor nerfs.

(To KV-5 and IS-6, nonetheless.)

 

You alright bro???



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