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Poll: What ISU do you want in 9.20 ? (40 members have cast votes)

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Choose the ISU-152's configuration for 9.20

  1. a) 152mm BL-10 and 1010 hp. (20 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. b) 152mm D-4S and 1200 hp. (20 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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Darkstinger #1 Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:45 AM

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a)152mm BL-10 and 1010 hitpoints

  • Damage: 750/750/950
  • Penetration: 286/329/90
  • Aimtime: 3.26
  • Accuracy: 0.39
  • Reload Time: 16.88

b)152mm D-4S and 1200 hitpoints

  • Damage: 750/750/950
  • Penetration: 260/292/90
  • Aimtime: 3.4
  • Accuracy: 0.41
  • Reload Time: 17.6

 

You know what to do ;)


Edited by Darkstinger, 11 August 2017 - 11:46 AM.


MattieW #2 Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:59 AM

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Lol 750 alpha with high penn in tier 8.

FluffyRedFox #3 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:01 PM

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Neither, nothing at tier 8 should have 750 alpha.

brumbarr #4 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:05 PM

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Atleast dotn spread false information, the only difference is the pen, gunhandlign is  the same:

https://tanks.gg/com...su-152__v0920ct

 



Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:07 PM

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It's funny....not that nobody mentioned it has/soon had more pen and 3.4s faster reload than the T30 at tier 9 because reasons.

Lord_Edge #6 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:09 PM

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View PostMattieW, on 11 August 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Lol 750 alpha with high penn in tier 8.

On a paper armoured TD with no turret, long reload, bad accuracy, bad aim time, etc, etc.  Context is important, if it was so OP for it's tier then it would be one of the best T8 TDs wouldn't it, but it isn't (and will now be even lower down the rankings).

 

 

View PostEnforcer1975, on 11 August 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

It's funny....not that nobody mentioned it has/soon had more pen and 3.4s faster reload than the T30 at tier 9 because reasons.

 

​The T30 has higher accuracy resulting in higher effective pen.


Edited by Ubersonic, 11 August 2017 - 12:12 PM.


Sir_Bad #7 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:20 PM

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I would rather just take the chinese t8 td thingy with 560 alpha. It seems to have some armor at least as is not that much slower than the ISU.

 

I don't get all these people complaining about the gunchange. Imo the 200 extra hp are far more useful than these few mm of pen. 260 pen is still more than enough at t8.



iztok #8 Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:45 PM

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In beta I swapped the BL-10 for 122mm BL-9s. 10 used to troll me too much, and in beta there were only a few tanks 9s couldn't penetrate. Nowadays tho...  :(

Raelir #9 Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

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IIRC the gun stats are the same outside of penetration and shell velocity, but that 26 penetration reduction is a major nerf because being able to overpower armor compensates for lack of accuracy somewhat, and because being able to effectively damage heavily armored targets in +1 and +2 games or force out hull-down tanks is ISU's unique schtick that made it attractive despite its sluggish barn of a chassis.

 

While how much of a loss in terms of pure combat efficiency this change is can be argued (as it depends on a player's preferred tactics when driving it), I feel it will absolutely make ISU less enjoyable due to cutting down its most distinct feature that made playing it feel so different compared to other T8s.


Edited by Raelir, 11 August 2017 - 01:01 PM.


Spurtung #10 Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:02 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 11 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

It's funny....not that nobody mentioned it has/soon had more pen and 3.4s faster reload than the T30 at tier 9 because reasons.

 

Because who needs turrets, right?

lord_chipmonk #11 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:12 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 11 August 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

Because who needs turrets, right?

 

Yes, but the point he was making was the tier difference. 

TIGERMARK3 #12 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:12 PM

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View PostSir_Bad, on 11 August 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

I would rather just take the chinese t8 td thingy with 560 alpha. It seems to have some armor at least as is not that much slower than the ISU.

 

I don't get all these people complaining about the gunchange. Imo the 200 extra hp are far more useful than these few mm of pen. 260 pen is still more than enough at t8.

 

The 190 extra HP are only good to turn you into a bigger pinata for other tanks. The tank has neither the view range, cammo, manouverability, depression, aim time, accuracy nor armour to actually put those extra 200HP to good use.

This is different from the new chinese Tier TD which also has has better penetration, armour, aim time, dispersion and traverse speed. If you want a broken or even OP t8 tank destroyer, that is the one, not ISU

P.S forgot to mention in the initial comment: ISU gets 8 degrees traverse vs 11 on WZ


Edited by TIGERMARK3, 11 August 2017 - 02:31 PM.


lord_chipmonk #13 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:15 PM

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View PostTIGERMARK3, on 11 August 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

The 190 extra HP are only good to turn you into a bigger pinata for other tanks. The tank has neither the view range, cammo, manouverability, depression, aim time, accuracy nor armour to actually put those extra 200HP to good use.

 

But it will keep you alive a little longer.

TIGERMARK3 #14 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:24 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 11 August 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

It's funny....not that nobody mentioned it has/soon had more pen and 3.4s faster reload than the T30 at tier 9 because reasons.

T30 has a turret and a strong gun mountlet

View PostRaelir, on 11 August 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

IIRC the gun stats are the same outside of penetration and shell velocity, but that 26 penetration reduction is a major nerf because being able to overpower armor compensates for lack of accuracy somewhat, and because being able to effectively damage heavily armored targets in +1 and +2 games or force out hull-down tanks is ISU's unique schtick that made it attractive despite its sluggish barn of a chassis.

 

While how much of a loss in terms of pure combat efficiency this change is can be argued (as it depends on a player's preferred tactics when driving it), I feel it will absolutely make ISU less enjoyable due to cutting down its most distinct feature that made playing it feel so different compared to other T8s.

ISU-152 was not really enjoyable to play. It was actually more a pain. However, it was fun. A tank for masochist players :) You would suffer, and suffer and suffer untill you finally got that awesome game in MM lottery.

And even pre-9.20 ISU lost much of it's ability to dig out tanks because new premium tanks like Defender, AMX and Patriot, or Super Heavy, such as VK or O-Ho.
The worst part about this nerf: it is meant just to piss people who enjoyed this tank and to force them to buy more premium rounds. It basically solves nothing from what everybody hating this tank complains about.



TIGERMARK3 #15 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:39 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 11 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

 

But it will keep you alive a little longer.

 

A little longer?

What does a little longer mean?

A heavy tank like Defender or IS-3 is still going to take you out in 3 shots. Same for other tanks using 122mm-130 mm guns. You are a 3 shot from them, based on alpha.

Using 100mm gun with 300 alpha needs 4 average penetrations to kill you now. It is going to need 4 to kill you after the HP buff.

The difference starts to be seen only at 90mm guns and below. However, those are weilded mostly by medium tanks which are going to out-spot you most of the time.

As said, you are only turned into a bigger HP pinata.

And this is only taken into account if you are in a 1v1 situation.

And most importantly, what does 'survivng a little longer' help you with? Yes, I know, I am crazy for asking this. Of course I know what it does mean. I am asking how is this going to impact the game. You are obviously not going to play frontline because of the reasons listed above and in many other occasion(crap armour, crap flexibility, crap mobility, crap accuracy). Basically you are not going to survive.

The only thing this change encourages is staying further back where you can evade shots much easier and pray your shots are going to penetrate.

ISU is a platform centered around the BL-10 gun, same as the Toaster or St Emil. You cannot nerf the gun and change the platform just a little bit and claim to 'balanced something'. You are just breaking stuff even more.

As I know a certain person who thinks he is related to superman is going to come and complain how 'ISU drivers are all red line campers and tomatoes", I want to say once again, this nerfsolves absolutely nothing.


Edited by TIGERMARK3, 11 August 2017 - 02:47 PM.


Darkstinger #16 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:51 PM

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I didn't expect that to happen. For 4 years no one complained about the gun,the best one at tier 8. It was the thing that made the tank a fans favourite. These days it's in a shadow from the new generation of premium tanks. Looks like mostly medium tank players voted here so far. Or maybe they just can't handle russian accuracy ? Players didn't ask for that change. Some drunk wg staff workers suddenly came with this idea completely randomly.

Merton15 #17 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:54 PM

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I have an ISU and I would quite like an 18 inch naval gun with a 10 round autoloader. As this probably won't be on offer, can I point out that there are low tiers with proportionately greater alpha? The ISU cannot one shot almost anything at its own tier, actually I am not sure it can one shot any T8 but cannot be a**ed to check. Play T2 to T5 and instant annihilation from full health is a possibility. A sharp, survivable slap at T8 hardly compares.

TIGERMARK3 #18 Posted 11 August 2017 - 03:47 PM

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View PostMerton15, on 11 August 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

I have an ISU and I would quite like an 18 inch naval gun with a 10 round autoloader. As this probably won't be on offer, can I point out that there are low tiers with proportionately greater alpha? The ISU cannot one shot almost anything at its own tier, actually I am not sure it can one shot any T8 but cannot be a**ed to check. Play T2 to T5 and instant annihilation from full health is a possibility. A sharp, survivable slap at T8 hardly compares.

 

No. ISU cannot one shot anything at its tier. Even with HE, you are going to need a high roll to one-shot even the lowest HP TD.

Actually, it cannot one shot Tier 7 tanks either apart from the light tanks.(Altough even those stand a chance)

The only problem starts at tier 6, lowest tier this thing can face.

As for the 'proportionately greater alpha' you are damn right. And it is not only alpha. There are tanks with better penetration-alpha combo at lower tiers.



Hammerhead20 #19 Posted 11 August 2017 - 04:12 PM

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Why most of you are now "crying" about ISU-152?

 

Why I'm not whining about my JagdPanther II which has only 246 mm penetation + 490 alpha damage cannon?

 

Because I'm fine with that.

 

750 alpha damage and 286 mm penetration was just insane for a tier VIII TD.

 

Get used to that...


Edited by Hammerhead20, 11 August 2017 - 04:12 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #20 Posted 11 August 2017 - 04:47 PM

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How about giving that tank the 20-pounder?




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