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Is the M7 a better "light" tank than the M5?


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Zanockthael #1 Posted 06 November 2011 - 07:11 AM

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Just looking at the base stats, the M7 is faster, traverses quicker, has more armour and more hp than the M5. I'm assuming I'm missing something that makes the M5 the better scout tank but I'm honestly not sure what that may be. (Pondering whether to sell my M5 once I've unlocked the M7)

sindroms #2 Posted 06 November 2011 - 07:53 AM

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The M5, however, is smaller and harder to hit and gets dumped in smaller tier battles most of the time. The M7 is a brawler, yes, and may be an effective rush scout, but only if you know how to use it.

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View Postsindroms, on 06 November 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

The M5, however, is smaller and harder to hit and gets dumped in smaller tier battles most of the time. The M7 is a brawler, yes, and may be an effective rush scout, but only if you know how to use it.
The M5 is a scout tank, so he can be thrown into higher battles than the M7...
I loved the M7 much more than the M5... not because of the matchmaking, but because of the weapons... the additional armor does not make any difference... the M7 hardly bounces anything, but the 6 pounder is a nice weapon... it lacks a bit of penetration, but the high rate of fire and good accuracy make it a good scout weapon (and I agree that the M7 plays like a scout).
Many people love the 75mm howitzer on the M5, but I hated it... that weapon is too slow... if you want to hit from far away you need to stop very long to have a chance to hit... deadly for a light tank... and even in close combat it is still too inaccurate on the run.

azakow #4 Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:22 AM

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Responding to "comparing" apples (M5 Steward, light tank tier 4) and peaches (M7, medium tank tier 5) ? ;)

What makes the difference in terms of scouting?
  • The cammo values on the move are the same while standing using the the M5. Not so with the M7.
  • Overall dimensions and the footprint is the smalles available, hence there are very many bushes for the M5 Steward.
  • The MM for M5 Steward (as said before), you be the only one with paper armor on the battle field. So you are a one shot for most enemies.


Cpt_Kawa #5 Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:33 PM

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No.

fustosbandi #6 Posted 31 December 2011 - 01:41 PM

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M7 is a quit sh*it,I'd preffer M5!

Kyphe #7 Posted 01 January 2012 - 10:26 AM

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depends on the matchmaker, once you get to high tier scouting is mostly done by meds anyway but that's above M7 level, I have thought it would be nice if the M7 was classed as light but there is no historic basis for that, its a shame as the US line suffers for the grind to the chaffee as both us and RU lines get to grind in good scouts where as the US have to grind in the m5 Stuart which is a bit of a lame duck, its better than the lee and the A20 but that does not mean much.

blownfuse #8 Posted 01 January 2012 - 01:12 PM

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I´m not good at scouting. But ! I had better success with scouting in the M7, than the M5. Plus when the sh*t hits the fan, the M7 can fight, and survive. And the M7´s speed and agility is out of this world.

Just my experience.

Ps. and the M7 is an excellent brawler.

bug #9 Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:16 AM

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posted in wrong category, sorry

MoveZig #10 Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:09 AM

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I think M5 and M7 are both the same fruit. Minor differences except in the MM. I think the MM is better for M7, after all the game will not hesitate to put your little m5 in a T8 fight. At least the M7 has the 6pdr which can pierce a lot of side armor. It feels a little faster and more maneuverable also.

kanecvr #11 Posted 20 February 2012 - 05:35 PM

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M7 is much better than the M5 in my opinion. At everything. Faster, better armor (it will occasionally bounce stuff, and it will bounce shells of it's rear too!), guns are better, whether the 57mm 6 pounder or the 75mm, and it has something very important for a scout: GREAT TURN RATE. It can run circles around most high-tier tanks. It's only downside is acceleration.

The M5 needs way better turn rate and some rear armor. Or at least tweek it so it won't catch on fire or get blown up when it gets hit from the back.

The M7 needs better acceleration. It could be a great Tier 5 scout if re-designated as a light tank (yes, there are M7 light 16t and M7 medium 24t) and get a HP buff.. around 500-550 hp like the T50-2 would be nice.

It would be kewl if WG would split the M7 into:


M7 Medium Tank 25t
- a little historically correct armor buff (38 standard + 30from armor plates front / +15 from armor plates sides and rear).
- slow it down a bit (because of the weight) - from 60kph to 50kph top speed
- 105mm howtiser off of the M4

M7 Light Tank 16t
- same armor value
- increase top speed to around 65kph
- double the current acceleration (- engine Wright Continental R-975C8 490bhp)

i_was_here_97 #12 Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

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View Postsindroms, on 06 November 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

The M5, however, is smaller and harder to hit and gets dumped in smaller tier battles most of the time. The M7 is a brawler, yes, and may be an effective rush scout, but only if you know how to use it.
What? you've got to be kidding me. i only get tiers 7, 8 & 9 in this little ****bag.

i_was_here_97 #13 Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:03 PM

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View Postazakow, on 07 November 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

Responding to "comparing" apples (M5 Steward, light tank tier 4) and peaches (M7, medium tank tier 5) ? :Smile_blinky:

What makes the difference in terms of scouting?
  • The cammo values on the move are the same while standing using the the M5. Not so with the M7.
  • Overall dimensions and the footprint is the smalles available, hence there are very many bushes for the M5 Steward.
  • The MM for M5 Steward (as said before), you be the only one with paper armor on the battle field. So you are a one shot for most enemies.
Stuart, not Steward.

Akhorahil_ #14 Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:51 AM

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View PostZanockthael, on 06 November 2011 - 07:11 AM, said:

Just looking at the base stats, the M7 is faster, traverses quicker, has more armour and more hp than the M5. I'm assuming I'm missing something that makes the M5 the better scout tank but I'm honestly not sure what that may be. (Pondering whether to sell my M5 once I've unlocked the M7)

No.

Looking at the stats, you might think so -- heck, I thought so myself, until I played it -- but the M7 has one feature that kills it as a Light Tank-substitute: the engine. The acceleration is very unimpressive, and although it turns quickly, it bleeds speed like nobody's business. You have to drive in a straight line for a long time in order to reach max speed.

The M7 is good for strategic movement -- getting where you want on the map -- but its tactical movement is very bed, which is a killer combined with the lack of armour. It's just a bad tank, alas, and I wish I had bypassed it in the tech tree.

Edited by Akhorahil_, 19 September 2012 - 09:53 AM.


Fr3d27 #15 Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:07 AM

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i hated both tanks. The M7 so much i sold it, and stopped grinding that tree :Smile_sad:

Slyspy #16 Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:40 PM

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I learnt to like the M5 in the end but I liked the M7 from the first. Doesn't mean that either are any good though!

Akhorahil_ #17 Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:47 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 19 September 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I learnt to like the M5 in the end but I liked the M7 from the first. Doesn't mean that either are any good though!

I don't mind the M5 -- the 75 mm howitzer is good for jobs like artillery raiding and hunting down light tanks.

Overall I prefer the 38 Na, though.

Costarring #18 Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:50 AM

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View Postazakow, on 07 November 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

Responding to "comparing" apples (M5 Steward, light tank tier 4) and peaches (M7, medium tank tier 5) ? <img src="http://cdn-frm-eu.wargaming.net/wot/eu/4.1/style_emoticons/default/Smile_blinky.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)">

What makes the difference in terms of scouting?
  • The cammo values on the move are the same while standing using the the M5. Not so with the M7.
  • Overall dimensions and the footprint is the smalles available, hence there are very many bushes for the M5 Steward.
  • The MM for M5 Steward (as said before), you be the only one with paper armor on the battle field. So you are a one shot for most enemies.



THIS 1.000.000 times....


A medium doesn't have the same camouflage bonus as a light tank (while driving).

End of story.




People that are unsure should also read this thread:

http://forum.worldof...es-of-gameplay/



Edited by Costarring, 21 September 2012 - 10:52 AM.


Akhorahil_ #19 Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:23 AM

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It can do some of the light tank duties nicely, even though it isn't a proper scout -- counter-scouting and mid-game arty raiding comes to mind -- and it has enough gun that it can hurt opposing tanks in regular firefights.

Also, buffs coming in 8.0! (Doubt they'll be enough to turn it into a good tank, but every little bit helps.)