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GekkoGordon #1 Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:40 PM

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HOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF

 

nevermind.......probably hit the bullsh1t 45mm square


Edited by GekkoGordon, 11 August 2017 - 02:42 PM.


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View PostGekkoGordon, on 11 August 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:

HOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF

 

Some thicker part of the armor maybe?

 

There is a 45 mm area, so that could do. :girl:



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as far as I am aware, the parts over the tracks aren't a part of the hull and won't case damage.

 



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View Postfishbob101, on 11 August 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

as far as I am aware, the parts over the tracks aren't a part of the hull and won't case damage.

 

 

there is a stripe of armor on the left side of the tank, with 45mm thick

 

45 * 3 = 135 so no overmatch :girl:



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That 45MM square is so small. but saved me a good few times :P

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rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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I autobounced a 122mm shell off a UDES hull once. Still can't explain it.

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View PostTr0gledyte, on 11 August 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

I autobounced a 122mm shell off a UDES hull once. Still can't explain it.

 

what you did was hit the same 45mm square.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

what you did was hit the same 45mm square.

 

The UDES has at best 30mm armor, not 45. The angle was pretty extreme but it should have overmatched. I was baffled.

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View PostTr0gledyte, on 11 August 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

 

The UDES has at best 30mm armor, not 45. The angle was pretty extreme but it should have overmatched. I was baffled.

 

Overmatch doesnt mean auto penetration as people mistakenly think. It means you automatically get a penetration roll. At extreme angles, and a low pen roll, it will still fail to penetrate.

Edited by RamRaid90, 11 August 2017 - 05:17 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

what you did was hit the same 45mm square.

 

Id guess it was the spaced armor, i noticed something odd with the spaced. if you dont pen the spaced armor (its thick physically) it "looks" as if its bouncing off. simply because it "dident want to go threw". its rather odd. have seen it many times with higher caliber guns myself.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

Overmatch doesnt mean auto penetration as people mistakenly think. It means you automatically get a penetration roll. At extreme angles, and a low pen roll, it will still fail to penetrate.

 

Even at almost 180 degrees the effective armor is only around 80mm so this wasn't the problem. The gun had 225 penetration. I bounced off its hull, slightly behind the gun to the right. I could literally see the shell bouncing up into the sky.

 

There's no explanation.. 


Edited by Tr0gledyte, 11 August 2017 - 05:19 PM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 11 August 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

Id guess it was the spaced armor, i noticed something odd with the spaced. if you dont pen the spaced armor (its thick physically) it "looks" as if its bouncing off. simply because it "dident want to go threw". its rather odd. have seen it many times with higher caliber guns myself.

 

Happens when the penetration roll allows you to penetrate the first layer of spaced armour but the remaining penetrationpotential is not enough to penetrate the hull proper. As this is all calculated as once and the game doesn't simulate a "first layer pen" it would seem like a "bounce" to the game.

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View PostTr0gledyte, on 11 August 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

Even at almost 180 degrees the effective armor is only around 80mm so this wasn't the problem. The gun had 225 penetration. I bounced off its hull, slightly behind the gun to the right. I could literally see the shell bouncing up into the sky.

 

There's no explanation.. 

 

Penetrating anything at 90 degrees is next to impossible, even with overmatch.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

Happens when the penetration roll allows you to penetrate the first layer of spaced armour but the remaining penetrationpotential is not enough to penetrate the hull proper. As this is all calculated as once and the game doesn't simulate a "first layer pen" it would seem like a "bounce" to the game.

 

Not sure. i have "bounced" big guns off my 30mm spaced sides of my S1 before. if it hit my hull it would have triple overmatched, but hitting my spaced i saw the shell fly off it. Due to how shells react with hitting armor + travel distance + travels threw the tank itself (hits mods ect if it hits hull and pens).

 

lessened pen to the point of it not being able to go out the other end of the THICC spaced armor (physically) and cant "exit" it due to the huge penetration loss = looks like a bounce?

 

As we know.. longer a shell travels once it hits armor, it rapidly loses penetration.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 11 August 2017 - 05:25 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

Overmatch doesnt mean auto penetration as people mistakenly think. It means you automatically get a penetration roll. At extreme angles, and a low pen roll, it will still fail to penetrate.

 

Lmao, talk out of your a$$ more. :D

Edited by ExclamationMark, 11 August 2017 - 05:27 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #17 Posted 11 August 2017 - 05:28 PM

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Bounced jgpz e100 AP shells off my strv 103b a few times before so this overmatch thing isn't really accurate.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

 

Overmatch doesnt mean auto penetration as people mistakenly think. It means you automatically get a penetration roll. At extreme angles, and a low pen roll, it will still fail to penetrate.

 

"Shells which impact armor a third of their thickness will automatically penetrate"

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ammo



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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

Penetrating anything at 90 degrees is next to impossible, even with overmatch.

 

Triple overmatch means it will pen regardless of angle. even 99 degree. otherwise my S1 and UDES would be bouncing 152mm calibers.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 11 August 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

 

Penetrating anything at 90 degrees is next to impossible, even with overmatch.

 

Look at tanks.gg. 20mm armor never exceeds 80-90mm effective regardless of angle.




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