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IxToasty #1 Posted 16 August 2017 - 12:53 AM

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This tank is, and has been in a desperate need of buff ever since release. I really want to like the tank, mostly because I spent an ungodly amount of time and money to earn it in the first place, but in its current form it isn't even worth playing.

 

It just doesn't have anything special about it. It's rather slow, because of the pathetic 14.5 p/w ratio. The gun should be better as it is the L7A1, but for some reason it has ~2400 base dpm (least out of all the 105mm T10 mediums) which is pathetic and outmatched by some tier 9 meds. Even the E50M feels like a sewing machine compared to it. 5 degrees of depression, doesn't quite cut the cake when the aim time is sub-par for a T10 med (only STB has worse). Only somewhat good thing is it's dispersion at .32, but with that DPM it should be .3 or even less and terrain resistances, but that's it.

 

Please WG, do something about it just to make it worth my time and anyones who has it. 

 

Yes, I know, this tank is something that most people will never have, but it doesn't mean it has to be utter garbage just because it is a CW reward.



_EXODUZ_ #2 Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:06 AM

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You should have taken M60. 121B will remain crap for a very long time.

gullungen #3 Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:13 AM

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You got a top tier tank for free for playing clan wars on a online game.

Most people would love to get a free tank no matter how crapit is, be happy you got it.



IxToasty #4 Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:21 AM

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View Postgullungen, on 16 August 2017 - 02:13 AM, said:

You got a top tier tank for free for playing clan wars on a online game.

Most people would love to get a free tank no matter how crapit is, be happy you got it.

 

It definetly wasn't free. You might think it's free, but playing CW actively for multiple weeks for 2h a day is far from free. You need prem, you need gold, no way around it. And if time is money, then that tank is probably the most expensive vehicle in my garage



IxToasty #5 Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:23 AM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 16 August 2017 - 02:06 AM, said:

You should have taken M60. 121B will remain crap for a very long time.

 

I know I should've, but I didnt as I wanted a vehicle to train chinese med crews in.



BKatt #6 Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:17 AM

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Ofcourse its biased, but there are alot more important things to get balanced, before they should focus on a tank that only a handful got.

Majority rule. :)



gullungen #7 Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:31 AM

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View PostIxToasty, on 16 August 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

 

It definetly wasn't free. You might think it's free, but playing CW actively for multiple weeks for 2h a day is far from free. You need prem, you need gold, no way around it. And if time is money, then that tank is probably the most expensive vehicle in my garage

 

1. 2 hours a day is pretty much nothing compared to what a lot people play or would be willing to play for a 'free' tier 10 tank.

2. You dont need premium, just grind money with premium tanks when it isnt cw.

3. You dont need gold for anything lol? Unless you're one of them people who still believes using gold for prem ammo is better...

 

And let me get this clear. 

Yes i do get your point, but most players in this game would be happy getting a tier 5 tank for 'free', spending a couple of hours a day for a few weeks, and here you are complaining at a 'free' tier 10 tank.


Edited by gullungen, 16 August 2017 - 07:34 AM.


8126Jakobsson #8 Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:36 AM

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View PostIxToasty, on 16 August 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

 

It definetly wasn't free. You might think it's free, but playing CW actively for multiple weeks for 2h a day is far from free. You need prem, you need gold, no way around it. And if time is money, then that tank is probably the most expensive vehicle in my garage

 

Two hours? Oh you uniclan casuals. Real tankers put in five.

tajj7 #9 Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:05 AM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 16 August 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

You should have taken M60. 121B will remain crap for a very long time.

 

Except the M60 will be made redundant by the M48 changes.

 

Basically the CW reward tanks are like 907 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> The rest.

 

But the 907 is the on that got buffed, cos reasons. M60, 121B and T95E6 need buffs, especially with the power creep that has gone on at tier 10. 



DurtiArry #10 Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:14 AM

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If its that cr4p, sell it.

Get some of your 'expenses' back.

#happybunnyagain

 

Unless of course you would miss polishing it every night.........



IxToasty #11 Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 16 August 2017 - 08:36 AM, said:

 

Two hours? Oh you uniclan casuals. Real tankers put in five.

 

2 was very much an understatement. I easily racked up 4-5 hours doing CW related stuff a night



Cobra6 #12 Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:25 AM

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If any CW reward tank needs buffs, it's the Chieftain/T95 at tier 8.

-Lousy AP pen.

-Lousy premium pen.

-Turret armour made completely irrelevant due to the massive 50mm armour cupola on the top.

-Lousy mobility.

-Meh DPM.

-Slow.

 

The 121B is still fairly usable.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 16 August 2017 - 09:25 AM.


IxToasty #13 Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:26 AM

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View Postgullungen, on 16 August 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

1. 2 hours a day is pretty much nothing compared to what a lot people play or would be willing to play for a 'free' tier 10 tank.

2. You dont need premium, just grind money with premium tanks when it isnt cw.

3. You dont need gold for anything lol? Unless you're one of them people who still believes using gold for prem ammo is better...

 

And let me get this clear. 

Yes i do get your point, but most players in this game would be happy getting a tier 5 tank for 'free', spending a couple of hours a day for a few weeks, and here you are complaining at a 'free' tier 10 tank.

 

1. 2 hours is an understatement

2. Grinding money wasnt an option unless I wanted to play 9 hours a day since SH is something that must be played

3. Moving equipment needs gold, albeit not much of it



Dexatroph #14 Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:39 AM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 16 August 2017 - 01:06 AM, said:

You should have taken M60. 121B will remain crap for a very long time.

 

Why he should have taken the M60? So far they didn't announce any changes to the M60 as well. 

 

View PostCobra6, on 16 August 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

If any CW reward tank needs buffs, it's the Chieftain/T95 at tier 8.

 

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Its not about to find the worste of all reward tanks what needs a buff. ;)  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



brumbarr #15 Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:43 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 16 August 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

If any CW reward tank needs buffs, it's the Chieftain/T95 at tier 8.

-Lousy AP pen.

-Lousy premium pen.

-Turret armour made completely irrelevant due to the massive 50mm armour cupola on the top.

-Lousy mobility.

-Meh DPM.

-Slow.

 

The 121B is still fairly usable.

 

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I present you: the kv4 kreslavksy:

-slow af

-worse armor than kv4

- weakspot is the upper front plate

- no dpm

- no alpha

- mediocre gunhandling

- medicore gun depression

 

 



Cobra6 #16 Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:10 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 August 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

I present you: the kv4 kreslavksy:

-slow af

-worse armor than kv4

- weakspot is the upper front plate

- no dpm

- no alpha

- mediocre gunhandling

- medicore gun depression

 

 

 

- Faster than KV-4

- True, but still more effective than most heavies

- Yeah that is annoying

- DPM is lower than KV-4 indeed.

- Alpha is the same

- Gun handling superior to KV-4

- More depression than KV-4

 

To be honest, the KV-4 is quite a nice tank to complete the HT-12 missions where you have to block your own HP in damage an "X" amount of times, it's quite an underrated gem if you use it correctly.

While the KV-4 kres has worse frontal armour, it shares many of the good features and it also has a slightly more effective turret.

 

Certainly no where near as useless as the Chieftain/T95 is.

 

View PostDexatroph, on 16 August 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

Its not about to find the worste of all reward tanks what needs a buff. ;)  

 

 

You are right, it's indeed not about that. I'm just saying that if we are making a list ordered according to importance, the 121B would not be at the bottom from all the CW reward tanks :teethhappy:

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 16 August 2017 - 10:11 AM.


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View PostCobra6, on 16 August 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

 

- Faster than KV-4

- True, but still more effective than most heavies

- Yeah that is annoying

- DPM is lower than KV-4 indeed.

- Alpha is the same

- Gun handling superior to KV-4

- More depression than KV-4

 

To be honest, the KV-4 is quite a nice tank to complete the HT-12 missions where you have to block your own HP in damage an "X" amount of times, it's quite an underrated gem if you use it correctly.

While the KV-4 kres has worse frontal armour, it shares many of the good features and it also has a slightly more effective turret.

 

Certainly no where near as useless as the Chieftain/T95 is.

 

 

You are right, it's indeed not about that. I'm just saying that if we are making a list ordered according to importance, the 121B would not be at the bottom from all the CW reward tanks :teethhappy:

 

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I have both tanks, and trust me, the kreslavsly is the worst tank ever.

I dont see how 140mm of flat armor is more effective than most heavys.

It is good at 1 thing though, sidescraping a right hand corner, did ht12 first game i played it. But thats the onlt redeeming feature.



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View Postgullungen, on 16 August 2017 - 01:13 AM, said:

You got a top tier tank for free for playing clan wars on a online game.

Most people would love to get a free tank no matter how crapit is, be happy you got it.

 

Seems like someone has never played a campaign for a tank before. 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 August 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

I have both tanks, and trust me, the kreslavsly is the worst tank ever.

I dont see how 140mm of flat armor is more effective than most heavys.

It is good at 1 thing though, sidescraping a right hand corner, did ht12 first game i played it. But thats the onlt redeeming feature.

 

Got both of them as well, yes the sidescraping saves it but *that* is exactly how you should be playing it. Hide the front and the armour is super effective.

At range it can sidescrape both corners but at closer range you need to prefer a right handed one indeed.

 

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View Postsomegras, on 16 August 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

Seems like someone has never played a campaign for a tank before. 

 

Oh i have, but it's a few years since i played one, and at the time i had way worse stats and knowledge of the game (still got 'bad' stats, but thats only because it's hard to improve stats when you've got 22k battles), only had shitty tier 10's and i was only in 'shitty' clans that didn't play seriously, or when i was in a competetive clan, they didn't want me in the cw because i was too bad of a player. 

 

If i had the opportunity today in a clan i know would have a chance in the next campaigns, i would gladly play 5 hours a day for a few weeks to get a free tier 10. 


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