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What the point of playing WZ-111 5A&113 after the IS-7 buff IN 9.20


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RiflemanThick #1 Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:49 PM

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After the buff IS-7 got it made it a lot better than it was and left WZ-111 5A behind since WZ-111 5A supposed to be faster than IS-7 but not IS-7 have almost everything better than WZ-111 5A including the armor of turret and hull OFC but with a little worse gun handling but same pen and damage.

IS-7 shouldn't be that faster than 5A so can you please tell me what the point of playing WZ-111 5A now? and why the hell players will play IS-4 after the IS-7's buff?


Edited by RiflemanThick, 16 August 2017 - 07:35 PM.


Sfinski #2 Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:03 PM

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DPM + 340 Heat.

 

// also no-ones playing IS4 after the buff or now for that matter...


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LUL 5A is still 100x better than IS7. GLHF against stupid anime tanks or the Maus with 300 APCR. That part alone makes it 50x better than IS7.

RiflemanThick #4 Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:47 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 16 August 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

DPM + 340 Heat.

 

// also no-ones playing IS4 after the buff or now for that matter...

 

View PostExclamationMark, on 16 August 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

LUL 5A is still 100x better than IS7. GLHF against stupid anime tanks or the Maus with 300 APCR. That part alone makes it 50x better than IS7.

 

So.. WZ-111 5A is made for noobs who doesn't know how to aim? yeah makes sense anyway

Rip WZ-111 5A it is now a craptank

All hail IS-7 

and again Good job WG! -__-

 



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The 5a has more gun depression, much better gun handling, more dpm and a better premium shell making it imo a lot more comfortable to play than the IS-7.

 



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View PostExclamationMark, on 16 August 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

LUL 5A is still 100x better than IS7. GLHF against stupid anime tanks or the Maus with 300 APCR. That part alone makes it 50x better than IS7.

 

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View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

 

So.. WZ-111 5A is made for noobs who doesn't know how to aim? yeah makes sense anyway

Rip WZ-111 5A it is now a craptank

All hail IS-7 

and again Good job WG! -__-

 

 

Yeah because when the Maus is perfectly angled it's aiming that prevents you from penning it. L2P then speak plz.

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Don't have any of these two tanks.

 

But still I would choose WZ-111 5A instead of IS-7...


Edited by Hammerhead20, 16 August 2017 - 03:01 PM.


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Haven't played the 5A on test server yet, but from what I've seen with others it does seem a very capable tank and much like Soviet heavy tanks quite ahem... inexperienced player friendly.

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How can he not notice the dpm, ammo types and depression diff...

<looks at stats>

He may not have much tier X experience, he is not necessarily stup...

View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

 

So.. WZ-111 5A is made for noobs who doesn't know how to aim? yeah makes sense anyway

Rip WZ-111 5A it is now a craptank

All hail IS-7 

and again Good job WG! -__-

 

Oh... 



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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 16 August 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

How can he not notice the dpm, ammo types and depression diff...

<looks at stats>

He may not have much tier X experience, he is not necessarily stup...

Oh... 

 

I'm aware of that but all I need to know is why IS-7 is faster than WZ-111 5A, can you explain why? and Don't forget that IS-7 have a lot better armor and even better turret with almost zero weak spots than WZ-111 5A which allows it to better use the gun but anyway IS-7 shouldn't be faster than 5A, you agree or not and why?

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View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

I'm aware of that but all I need to know is why IS-7 is faster than WZ-111 5A, can you explain why? and Don't forget that IS-7 have a lot better armor and even better turret with almost zero weak spots than WZ-111 5A which allows it to better use the gun but anyway IS-7 shouldn't be faster than 5A, you agree or not and why?

Maybe it's faster because it has been underpowered for quite some time, and WG decided to balance it by making chassis better instead of making the gun identical to WZ's. IS7 retains it's abysmal DPM. And don't tell me is7 has armor, it doesn't. 



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View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

I'm aware of that but all I need to know is why IS-7 is faster than WZ-111 5A, can you explain why? and Don't forget that IS-7 have a lot better armor and even better turret with almost zero weak spots than WZ-111 5A which allows it to better use the gun but anyway IS-7 shouldn't be faster than 5A, you agree or not and why?

It won't be too much more mobile as the IS-7 has much worse terrain resistances than the 5a whilst only having 2.6 better hp per ton.

Also no weakspots? Lower plate of IS-7 is ~230ish.



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View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

I'm aware of that but all I need to know is why IS-7 is faster than WZ-111 5A, can you explain why? and Don't forget that IS-7 have a lot better armor and even better turret with almost zero weak spots than WZ-111 5A which allows it to better use the gun but anyway IS-7 shouldn't be faster than 5A, you agree or not and why?

 

They didn't change the top speed....

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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 16 August 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Maybe it's faster because it has been underpowered for quite some time, and WG decided to balance it by making chassis better instead of making the gun identical to WZ's. IS7 retains it's abysmal DPM. And don't tell me is7 has armor, it doesn't. 

The is7 armor is great, 10 times better than wz or 113 armor, the fact you can find a dip in the ground or position where the enemy doesnt ha r the gun dep and be invulnarable is a massibe advantage. 

 

 

Atm, i would say they are well balanced, the wz is the more fragile one, but has the better gun, is7 is better armoured but has a worse gun. 

Buffs are fine, give the is7 more dpm and then there would be a problem, atm, no.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 August 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

The is7 armor is great, 10 times better than wz or 113 armor, the fact you can find a dip in the ground or position where the enemy doesnt ha r the gun dep and be invulnarable is a massibe advantage. 

 

 

Atm, i would say they are well balanced, the wz is the more fragile one, but has the better gun, is7 is better armoured but has a worse gun. 

Buffs are fine, give the is7 more dpm and then there would be a problem, atm, no.

In my experience these dips are either too shallow to hide the hull which gets lolpenned as soon as enemy is above you, or too deep for 6* of gun depression to shoot enemy. 

I admit, turret is excellent (despite few lolpens which I can't really explain) I still think WZ is much better just because of the gun, but it comes down to personal preference. 



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View PostSfinski, on 16 August 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

 

They didn't change the top speed....

View Postbrumbarr, on 16 August 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

The is7 armor is great, 10 times better than wz or 113 armor, the fact you can find a dip in the ground or position where the enemy doesnt ha r the gun dep and be invulnarable is a massibe advantage. 

 

 

Atm, i would say they are well balanced, the wz is the more fragile one, but has the better gun, is7 is better armoured but has a worse gun. 

Buffs are fine, give the is7 more dpm and then there would be a problem, atm, no.

 

I'm talking about ''Power/Weight'' It is now 17.60 in IS-7 with 60 Forward Speed and 15 Reverse speed.

WZ-111 5A Power/Weight is 15  forward speed is 50 reverse speed is 15. 

Why is that?

 

View Postfishbob101, on 16 August 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

It won't be too much more mobile as the IS-7 has much worse terrain resistances than the 5a whilst only having 2.6 better hp per ton.

Also no weakspots? Lower plate of IS-7 is ~230ish.

 

Don't forget that IS-7 have a low profile which makes the lower plate stronger anyway if IS-7 took a cover like.. a died tank it will became deadly and very very hard to pen unless he made a mistake.

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The DPM difference alone is enough to justify 5A over Is7 for me. Not to mention with 5A you have reliable tools to deal (340 heat) with the r*tarded superheavies.

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If i am not mistaken the 111 5A is not even that more faster than IS-7 even before the buff...

my IS-7 with ah extra 10% of the engine HP gets a p/w ratio of 16.94, i guess the WZ gets better terrain resistances, but acording to tanks.gg its p/w ratio is 15...

wich is compared to the IS-7

 

I personaly think its a big mistake to WG to make the IS-7 get a 19 p/w ratio... it will very hard to slower heavies to deal with that.. even mediums

when some mediums like the germans E50s are slower than that, even a Leopard (LOL) 

 

a super armored heavy with 19. p/w... with extra 10% option in setup, you can get the IS-7 after the buff to have 1320 hp... isnt this sick? 

the IS-7 is all about positioning and expecting the gun to work, improving the gun handling and the mobility will make it deadly...

 

it will make the IS-7 look like a T-10 but with a much better armor...  SICK 

 

this is why i criticize this sort of changes, for me the IS-7 is ok, a minor improvement in the gun handling and its hit points would be more than enough

doing a buff to its mobility its wrong...



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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 16 August 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

In my experience these dips are either too shallow to hide the hull which gets lolpenned as soon as enemy is above you, or too deep for 6* of gun depression to shoot enemy. 

I admit, turret is excellent (despite few lolpens which I can't really explain) I still think WZ is much better just because of the gun, but it comes down to personal preference. 

In my experience the is7 can just sit still with lower plate covered and just sit and shoot. 

And I 3 marked the thing, so yeah :)

 

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View PostRiflemanThick, on 16 August 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

 

I'm talking about ''Power/Weight'' It is now 17.60 in IS-7 with 60 Forward Speed and 15 Reverse speed.

WZ-111 5A Power/Weight is 15  forward speed is 50 reverse speed is 15. 

Why is that?

 

 

Don't forget that IS-7 have a low profile which makes the lower plate stronger anyway if IS-7 took a cover like.. a died tank it will became deadly and very very hard to pen unless he made a mistake.

In practice, the topspeed doesnt make much of a difference, they never  reach it unless downhill.

In an actualt battle wz is still faster, it is as fast as is7 on hard but its quite a bit faster on medium and soft due to better ground resistance. And most maps are mostly medium terrain.


 




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