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isi_pak15 #1 Posted 17 August 2017 - 09:24 AM

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Hello,

why IS-4's turret has too many weak spot? what does else it have? no DPM (around 2.5k in Tier X), no Hull armor, very slow. It only has a turret which is so annoying these days as an average player in tier VIII,IX,X can easily penetrate its turret. Its turret should be buffed, at least to a significant amount. These spots look like very small but actually these are penetrated very easily.

  


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How_hard_can_it_be #2 Posted 17 August 2017 - 09:32 AM

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Why do you write in plural as if it has more than 1 weakspot? There's just that overmatchable roof that you can call a weakspot.

isi_pak15 #3 Posted 17 August 2017 - 09:45 AM

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That little copula on the turret is also very weak

iztok #4 Posted 17 August 2017 - 10:11 AM

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IIRC I've read it will be reworked (moved back to tier-9 ? ). Wait and see.

_____Yarpen_____ #5 Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:15 PM

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Had it unlocked for like two years, never bought it - such a downgrade from ST-I ;-)

Phobos4321 #6 Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:48 PM

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is 4 turret is weak  nuff said

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SirTogII #7 Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:48 PM

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View Post_____Yarpen_____, on 17 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Had it unlocked for like two years, never bought it - such a downgrade from ST-I ;-)

Lol yeah, I think it's been unlocked 4 years or something. Never been remotely tempted, and I even grinded and bought the Foch155 after, that's how bad I think this tank is :-)



Cannes76 #8 Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:02 PM

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Have one of my few tier X kolobanovs and Pools medals with the IS-4 :)

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Phobos4321 #9 Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:05 PM

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real kolos or just the "i run and hide in assault/encounter game mode and win by the other team not capping"?

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View PostPhobos4321, on 17 August 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

real kolos or just the "i run and hide in assault/encounter game mode and win by the other team not capping"?

 

The Pools medal was the same battle...

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That tank was great when it was T9 and saw T5 tanks back in the day with no gold ammo flying around but these days it simply has no real strong point except being a decent side scraper. Gun has bad softstats except for turret traverse and dpm is abysmal, the only saving grace is 340mm heat. Turret is decent except those small parts next to the gun mantle but roof can be overmatched, hull armor isnt what it used to be with all those premium shells flying around and could use at least 20mm more armor for LFP, UFP and the cheeks as well.

Dava_117 #12 Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:28 PM

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IS-4 turret is one of the better in game. Is different than ST-I, because it trade better all around armour for that roof weackspot.

IMMO i didn't find IS-4 as a downgrade from ST-I. It's less effective in facehugging, but is far more reliable in the other situations due to the better stat of the gun, the well armoured sides of the turret and 20mm more armour on the sides.



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View PostSirTogII, on 17 August 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

Lol yeah, I think it's been unlocked 4 years or something. Never been remotely tempted, and I even grinded and bought the Foch155 after, that's how bad I think this tank is :-)

 

In terms of badness IS-4 can't even hold a candle to Foch 155 (and the rest of the french TD line).

 

View Postisi_pak15, on 17 August 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

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why IS-4's turret has too many weak spot? what does else it have? no DPM (around 2.5k in Tier X), no Hull armor, very slow. It only has a turret which is so annoying these days as an average player in tier VIII,IX,X can easily penetrate its turret. Its turret should be buffed, at least to a significant amount. These spots look like very small but actually these are penetrated very easily.

  

 

The turret of the IS-4 has one note worthy weak spot and that's the 30mm turret roof. Compared to the other heavies I'd say that IS-4 has the second most toughest turret, with the most toughest turret award going to IS-7. Lower tier tanks can penetrate the turret theoretically speaking, but they would have to be in a taller tank at pretty much point blank range in order to do so, at medium to long range even Strv 103B will struggle to penetrate the roof reliably. Those weak spots look small because they are small, they're tiny compared to what other T10 tanks. 

Hull armor is way stronger than a hull of fast heavies like IS-7, 113 and T110E5. Compared to the hull of other super heavies (IS-4 is classified as a super heavy), it's quite a bit weaker than Maus obviously, but it's stronger than E100. Things start to get a bit weird when compared to Pz VII and Type 5, hull of these two heavies will do a much better job against standard shells, against premium shells on the other hand both Pz VII and Type 5 just melt away. IS-4 of course is not as good as Maus at bouncing premium shells, but it's hell of a lot better than Type 5, E100 and Pz VII. It goes without say that IS-4 driver needs to be good at angling and side scraping in order to achieve any of this.

I'll have to agree that IS-4 kind of sucks in firepower compartment. The gun does not pack a lot of punch while also having sub par gun handling and dpm at the same time.



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Playing column 8 on Himmelsdorf, you can reliably put all your shoots in the IS-4 roof.

That's the same ground level, I did it to a poor sod playing my own IS-4, he reported me :bush:

 

The tank is handsome though, it would be a shame to replace it at tier X with the ST1 which looks bizarre at best.



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View Postjaptank, on 17 August 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

Playing column 8 on Himmelsdorf, you can reliably put all your shoots in the IS-4 roof.

That's the same ground level, I did it to a poor sod playing my own IS-4, he reported me :bush:

 

The tank is handsome though, it would be a shame to replace it at tier X with the ST1 which looks bizarre at best.

 

But that weak spot in close battles just flushes away all the "Heavy Metal" thing of this tank. That rooftop should be buffed to a significant amount so at least tier VIII tanks won't pen with standard shells.  

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the turret switch from ST-I cant get here soon enough

 

oh and by the way IS-4 also has that 30mm overmatchable armor on top of its hull ...



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View Postisi_pak15, on 17 August 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

But that weak spot in close battles just flushes away all the "Heavy Metal" thing of this tank. That rooftop should be buffed to a significant amount so at least tier VIII tanks won't pen with standard shells.  

 

overmatch isnt matter of tier, just Caliber of the gun ... T4 Hetzer can overmatch that plate with AP rounds ...

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View PostWarzey, on 17 August 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

In terms of badness IS-4 can't even hold a candle to Foch 155 (and the rest of the french TD line).

 

 

The turret of the IS-4 has one note worthy weak spot and that's the 30mm turret roof. Compared to the other heavies I'd say that IS-4 has the second most toughest turret, with the most toughest turret award going to IS-7. Lower tier tanks can penetrate the turret theoretically speaking, but they would have to be in a taller tank at pretty much point blank range in order to do so, at medium to long range even Strv 103B will struggle to penetrate the roof reliably. Those weak spots look small because they are small, they're tiny compared to what other T10 tanks. 

Hull armor is way stronger than a hull of fast heavies like IS-7, 113 and T110E5. Compared to the hull of other super heavies (IS-4 is classified as a super heavy), it's quite a bit weaker than Maus obviously, but it's stronger than E100. Things start to get a bit weird when compared to Pz VII and Type 5, hull of these two heavies will do a much better job against standard shells, against premium shells on the other hand both Pz VII and Type 5 just melt away. IS-4 of course is not as good as Maus at bouncing premium shells, but it's hell of a lot better than Type 5, E100 and Pz VII. It goes without say that IS-4 driver needs to be good at angling and side scraping in order to achieve any of this.

I'll have to agree that IS-4 kind of sucks in firepower compartment. The gun does not pack a lot of punch while also having sub par gun handling and dpm at the same time.

 

So the IS-4 is going to replaced with some other tank with better turret armor? Or it will stay the same? I know angling is perfect in this tank but when you aim at enemy (2.8 sec), you get shot on that rooftop easily.

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View Postisi_pak15, on 17 August 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

 

So the IS-4 is going to replaced with some other tank with better turret armor? Or it will stay the same? I know angling is perfect in this tank but when you aim at enemy (2.8 sec), you get shot on that rooftop easily.

 

There's a talk about ST-1 being swapped with IS-4.

TsundereWaffle #20 Posted 17 August 2017 - 04:44 PM

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only thing IS-4 has is a good gun and incredible sidescraping potential, that's it. Does it need a buff? yes




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