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ultra44 #1 Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:39 AM

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Why WG doesn't rebalance this tanks? Lowe and T34 are the worst t8 prem tanks currently. Lowe have good armor but the DPM is crap. Reload time is ridiculous for 320 alpha dmg!? T34 beside pen doesn't have nothing any more. DPM i hilarious, and this pen taking in consideration gold ammo that everyone use doesn't mean nothing anymore. Not to speak about mm for this tanks. Lowe is funny tank in t10 battles with it's alpha dmg, reload time and DPM.

 

Why don't u do something WG about this? Instead u r involving more new tanks that are by default better than this tanks and u keep on fixing tanks that doesn't need any fixing?! (someone said obj140???)



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Try T-34-3

Cannes76 #3 Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:43 AM

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You are crazy wrong about that assesment. There tons of tier 8 premiums which are worse off.

ultra44 #4 Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:52 AM

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Name them than. Be my guest dude and give a explanation

thestaggy #5 Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:55 AM

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IS-6 says 'hi'.

 

The Lowe and T34 can at least pen the tanks they see. IS-6 can't even pen half of the new heavies with premium ammo.

 



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View Postthestaggy, on 20 August 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

IS-6 says 'hi'.

 

The Lowe and T34 can at least pen the tanks they see. IS-6 can't even pen half of the new heavies with premium ammo.

 

 

But it has a preferential mm dude. Lowe and T34 almost 80% of battles are in t10 mm

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View Postultra44, on 20 August 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

 

But it has a preferential mm dude. Lowe and T34 almost 80% of battles are in t10 mm

 

Preferential MM means it sees tier 9 tanks 80% of the time. It hardly sees tier 6 and 7 tanks anymore.

 

Last session I playd; 8 battles

- 6 battles with 5 tier 9 and 10 tier 8 tanks (5/10 MM)

- 1 battle all tier 8 tanks

- 1 battle with tier 6 and 7 tanks (3/5/7 MM)

 

Defender, Chrysler, VK 100.01, E75, VK 45B, ST-1, it can't pen these tanks. It has huge trouble penning Liberte and Patriot as well. All of these tanks easily penetrate the IS-6 though.


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ExclamationMark #8 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:00 PM

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Lowe is actually one of the better T8 prem heavies. T34 is  crap though, yes.

Sfinski #9 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:04 PM

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View Postultra44, on 20 August 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

 

But it has a preferential mm dude. Lowe and T34 almost 80% of battles are in t10 mm

 

And have 59-73 more pen on standard rounds. 

 

Naw there's plenty that are wayyy worse. 

IS-3A

T25 pilot

Patton KR

Type 59

59-Patton

34-3

WZ-111

112

FV4202

Panther 8,8

Kanonenjagdpanzer

Jagdtiger 8,8

FCM 50t

 

All of these are worse, easily. 



ExclamationMark #10 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:06 PM

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112 and WZ111 are not bad anymore. Especially the WZ111 since the gun handling buff, makes HEAT spam even more effective.

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View Postultra44, on 20 August 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

Name them than. Be my guest dude and give a explanation

 

Every tier 8 medium except for Lorraine and arguably Ravioli because tier 8 mediums are trash in every respect. They have sh*tty guns and mobility in 2017 is probably the most overrated thing in random battles. Having a strong gun and/or armor is far more important. Mobile tanks with strong guns like Skorpion are still perfectly fine but fast tanks with underwhelming guns are utter trash.

 

T34 has indeed been power crept and is not worth a dime anymore. Löwe is relatively better than ever if we don't count the 9.18 party when you got lots of +1/-1 or +/-0 games. It's one of the best premium tanks and one of the few ones that are still somewhat worth playing although tier 8 is in a bad spot.

 

A few years ago T34 was pretty much a strict upgrade over Löwe which had no other purpose than being an overpriced German heavy trainer and the bots' favorite. I guess it did make some credits too but it performed pretty poorly for a tank of such price tag and you could buy something far more powerful like IS-6 for the same price. IS-6 is another case of a tank that has gone from extremely powerful to "kind of bad". Funny how things change and it just shows why investing on any non-Defender tier 8 tank is not a good idea with Wargaming messing the game up so aggressively.

 

Still, if you have Löwe you should play it and if you can't make a tank with so much flexibility work and instead insist on playing it like a Type 5 Heavy, it's time to look into the mirror.


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Only thing the T34 needs and to a minor extent the Löwe is a DPM buff to the "new" standard in DPM for T8 heavy tanks: ~2000DPM.

 

Both of these heavies are still on the 2010 standard: ~1600DPM, which just doesn't cut it anymore.

 

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Lowe bad - mkey

ZlatanArKung #14 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:41 PM

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Well. Maybe, if you remove the T8 mediums except Lorraine, all T8 TDs except Skorpion and IS-6, KV-5, FCM 50t from the list.

Phobos4321 #15 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:46 PM

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the ability to not always need to spam gold is a qualitiy in itself and both t34 and löwe got them as such they allow you to farm crds easier since less of your gain is eaten by shell costs again

 

more a farming tank than a tank for owning others

 

still it gets complicated if you compare them to a crysler or defender  that would deserve to be at least a tier higher than them  but thats more a issue for the recent powercreep rather than the old premiums



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nothing wrong with them

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View Postultra44, on 20 August 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

Name them than. Be my guest dude and give a explanation

 

Remember IS3A? Hahahah, that thing is ridiculously stupid now, no one plays it any more. 

SuedKAT #18 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:52 PM

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View PostVela_ZG, on 20 August 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

 

Remember IS3A? Hahahah, that thing is ridiculously stupid now, no one plays it any more. 

 

I drove the JT 88 the other day, I even got a PM from a dude asking me were to get it since he'd never seen one before...

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While I agree t34 is bad Lowe is amazing. You must be insane or don't know how to play the game to dislike the Lowe. Yes the DPM is bad but outside of that you get:

1. Great turret

2. Super good soft stats, accuracy, pen. prem pen so you can fight vs t10 tanks

3. Strong sides for sidescraping

4. Great gun depression.

 

Lowe is the most comfortable t8 prem. Even if it's sometimes less enjoyable to play than the Skorp I'd pick it over it for winning and the only t8 prem I'd like more is the Patriot.

 

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View PostExclamationMark, on 20 August 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

112 and WZ111 are not bad anymore. Especially the WZ111 since the gun handling buff, makes HEAT spam even more effective.

 

It's bad if you want to make money. They are great crew trainers but require insane amounts of prem spam.
 

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View PostVela_ZG, on 20 August 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

 

Remember IS3A? Hahahah, that thing is ridiculously stupid now, no one plays it any more.

 

It was stupid as a trainer anyway with the smaller crew...

View PostSuedKAT, on 20 August 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

I drove the JT 88 the other day, I even got a PM from a dude asking me were to get it since he'd never seen one before...

 

Was thinking about getting it out of reserve again to see if the buff helped to increase performance...

 






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