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Wt auf Pziv a better tier 10 than grille 15.


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DorsVenabiIi #1 Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:56 AM

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Seriously, these tanks should swap tiers. 

 

WT has better dpm, far more reliable gun(despite being less "accurate" on paper), good camo, good mobility. And the biggest and most fantastic thing it has over grille 15 is a fully traversable turret, which is a godsend for those of us who despise non turreted tanks.

 

Grille 15 is a pile of garbage, really wish I hadn't researched it. It sacrifices everything that makes a TD a TD for 60km/h speed and 750 alpha. 



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It sacrifices everything that makes it a TD, traversible turret and good mobility, for a "fixed" turret better mobility, better accuracy, much better alpha. Are you sure you know what makes a TD a TD?

JuliusCheddar #3 Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:09 PM

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Pretty much, I sold Grille and rebought WT. Two words: hidden stats. 

Grille has such a horrid dispersion you literally are forced to kemp bush, even though it may seem flexible on paper. Also, you just gotta love when you trade with Grille players and they get outreloaded by their predecessor lol



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Yes, the Grille nerf made it worse than its predecessor.

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View Postqpranger, on 22 August 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

Yes, the Grille nerf made it worse than its predecessor.

 

I guess the only way to solve this problem is to nerf the tier 9 as well.

Dr_Oolen #6 Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:25 PM

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WG certainly knows how to balance tanks :XD

 

The "problem" with grille was always only the 60 km/h top speed, while it already had trash maneuvrability and gun handling. How does wg balance it? By nerfing its acceleration and gun :XD Literally all they had to do was nerf top speed to 45, possibly nerf dpm and in turn buff gun handling/hull traverse (or give it fully traversible turret) and it would be just fine and actually still somewhat fun to play (i dont think it was ever fun to play tbh, but i can see how someone might enjoy it), but they nerf it in such a way that i highly doubt anyone finds it fun to play anymore, it is still broken and at the same time it was made one of the worst t10 tds in the game, only better than fv183 and 4005 :XD

 

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 August 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

Seriously, these tanks should swap tiers. 

 

No, they are fine the way they are now.

The Grille is harder to play than the WT though and it is generally harder to do well in T10s than it its on T9s.



theSwedishTankDriver #8 Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:30 PM

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The whole line is garbage bush shitting tanks (maybe Borsig 15 cm full HEAT is an exception). Also, I did find the WT auf Pz. IV to be more [edited] than the Grille 15. The tanks is definetely nothing for me, but I can make every other tank work, just not these PoS.

DorsVenabiIi #9 Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:11 PM

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View PosttheSwedishTankDriver, on 22 August 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

The whole line is garbage bush shitting tanks (maybe Borsig 15 cm full HEAT is an exception). Also, I did find the WT auf Pz. IV to be more [edited] than the Grille 15. The tanks is definetely nothing for me, but I can make every other tank work, just not these PoS.

 

Hmm, we seem to have very different experiences. I absolutely love the WT auf pziv, my favourite TD in the game after skorpion G. It's very dynamic, works in most situations, that's what a turret and decent mobility does I guess. 

 

Sad thing is I reached 94.2% on marks yesterday, would've been my first tier 9 mark, now i'm back at 92% :(



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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 23 August 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

 

Hmm, we seem to have very different experiences. I absolutely love the WT auf pziv, my favourite TD in the game after skorpion G. It's very dynamic, works in most situations, that's what a turret and decent mobility does I guess. 

 

Sad thing is I reached 94.2% on marks yesterday, would've been my first tier 9 mark, now i'm back at 92% :(

 

For the (horrible) armor it gets, the mobility is underwhelming, also the gun depression is crap all around (especially over the front). The gun handling is crap and the shells seems to dip a lot (more than other tanks, for example the Skorpion G).

 



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View PostSpurtung, on 22 August 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

 

I guess the only way to solve this problem is to nerf the tier 9 as well.

 

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Is there any reason for Grille 15 having such bad accuracy? the whole line is accurate and then the tier 10 misses tanks at point blank range.

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View PostMatcorr, on 23 August 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Is there any reason for Grille 15 having such bad accuracy? the whole line is accurate and then the tier 10 misses tanks at point blank range.

It's because it has been nerfed, and it's well known fact that WG cut their budget on nerfing tools and said "well, f*** that, we can do everything with a hammer" 



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View PostMatcorr, on 23 August 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Is there any reason for Grille 15 having such bad accuracy? the whole line is accurate and then the tier 10 misses tanks at point blank range.

 

Did you ever play American TDs?

For giggles, I once played the Grile on the test server and now I'm grinding the line (at the Borsig atm) because I suddenly had the impression I was playing another game.

Shells going where you point your gun, how was that possible!



XxKuzkina_MatxX #15 Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:55 PM

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I agree with you that the WT is the better tank and the grille if ****ed at the moment i also would like to say that your avatar is the most pleasant thing in these forums :)

yun9 #16 Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:11 PM

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lol the grille was waaay too overpowered and needed a nerf

 

you seem to forget that while it might not be the best tank to fight in, it's a [edited] to fight against. Small turret and absolutely stupid mobility+gun combo that makes it so punishing for doing anything, a grille can be redlining or constantly moving up meaning it's one of the most flexible TDs in the game and by far the hardest one to anticipate.

 

I've taken more damage from Grilles the past three months than I ever did from Waffle E100s from release to removal because they were incredibly easy to play around. A Grille is not. The fact that a tank isn't good doesn't mean it's bad. It's got factors (like most TDs do) that make it less enjoyable to play but absolutely horrible to play against so buffing it past what it is now would just make it OP again. 

WT4 can't do that at all. Mounting the 15cm is a waste of potential when the 128cm is much better gunwise, and you have a semimobile platform that can TD well, but it's not a Grille. If this thing catches you you take 560 on average, and it won't hit pixels. A Grille will, and it does for 750. This is a huge thing when it comes to game balance. Poking on a Grille at all basically guarantees 750 HP taken if the Grille knows how to aim, the only other tank that can do it is the Strv103B (that also needs rebalancing) which means that it has a trick up its sleeve that is very hard to balance around. Same goes for the IS-7 and it's basically invulnerable turret.






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