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Sir_Grzegorz #1 Posted 24 August 2017 - 04:29 PM

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I am terrible player and have WR of 35% in T67. Does that mean I will be as bad in Scorpion. For me they look similar, if I spot one it just dies (I drive mainly Japan Heavy Tanks). I "need" something to do missions and I think premium tank will at least not loose me money. Or I should just die my way to tier 10 and then missions will be easier. I am talking here tier 5 (or was it tier 4) personal missions. 

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With that amount of battles, I wouldn't recommend anything higher than tier 7. But since I assume you got the Skorp, play it defensively. Stay in a bush further away, always have an escape plan and have appropriate equipment (rammer, optics).

 

To answer your question, no, T67 and Skorp G aren't similar. In T67 you can do hit and runs since your fast ROF allows for that play, the Skorps bad reload, no ability to snapshot and horrible camo limit its gameplay to a sniper support tank.


Edited by GalmTwo, 24 August 2017 - 04:39 PM.


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View PostGalmTwo, on 24 August 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

With that amount of battles, I wouldn't recommend anything higher than tier 7. But since I assume you got the Skorp, play it defensively. Stay in a bush further away, always have an escape plan and have appropriate equipment (vents, rammer, optics).

 

Good luck getting vents in an open turret TD.

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View PostSpurtung, on 24 August 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

Good luck getting vents in an open turret TD.

 

Sorry, had a brainfart for a second there :facepalm:

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Skorpion G for a new player is a horrible idea! It's a powerful tank but extremely difficult to do well in, you will have a much harder time than in the T67. 

 

I would recommend buying a Löwe or IS2 that is currently on sale, these premiums would be easier to play with and more forgiving for a new player. 

 

If you are struggling with t67 make sure you are training correct skills, get sixth sense on commander and camouflage on all the rest of the crews, this is the most important skill. Use rammer, binos and camouflage net. Learn to use bushes etc. T67 is a great tank to learn bush mechanics in. 



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View PostSir_Grzegorz, on 24 August 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

I am terrible player and have WR of 35% in T67. Does that mean I will be as bad in Scorpion. For me they look similar, if I spot one it just dies (I drive mainly Japan Heavy Tanks). I "need" something to do missions and I think premium tank will at least not loose me money. Or I should just die my way to tier 10 and then missions will be easier. I am talking here tier 5 (or was it tier 4) personal missions. 

 

You do realize that the missions arn´t meant to be completed after 2,5k battles right? And most likely you wont be able to complete most of them even in a tier 8 premium? That being said the Skorpion G is a very hard tank to play and you will most likely fail horribly in it.

 

Don´t worry about the missions. The tanks you get are pretty rubbish except possibly the 260 which most people never get anyway. Stay away from tier 8 until you have at least unlocked a tier 8 tank. Also keep in mind that tier 8 is brutal right now and 90% of the games will be TX games.

 

 



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They aren't too similar.
Only main things they have in common are speed and paper armor.

The difference is that Skorp plays with very high alpha/pen and "slow" rate of fire (compared to T67's rapid fire gun), and it has "bad" gun depression (compared to T67's great gun depression), and it's got bad camo (extremely bad even, compared with T67's marvellous camo).

So they perform somewhat differently, especially when you also consider that Skorpion fights Tiers VI-X, while T67 sees IV-VII. (The T67 is basically a "sealclubbing" tank, while the Skorpion is primarily a classic Tier VIII credit grinding premium.)

Albeit they're both TDs so they don't get insulted too much for camping in the back, if they don't overdo it. So some similarities are there, even besides stats. But they're still very much different.

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If it's for the 1st set of TD missions a lower tier TD is fine. You will need time to build up the crews and your game knowledge. See the missions as a tutorial challenge...some are good that way (kill a target unspotted etc).


 

 

My favourite one is the medium mission where you have to kill a tank while being on the move. Drove matilda and shot tank until if was nearly dead, pressed R to accelerate to 1 km/h and shot it again. Mission done without even leading a target. \o/



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Considering those low tier personal missions:
Just one Tier above the T67 you get the Hellcat.
And that's a really great tank to do TD personal missions in.
(T67 is great too, but Hellcat helps if you need to do more damage, since it's a Tier higher and tanks have more HP there. Also, it has very high pen with APCR on the top gun. :P)

Edited by 1ucky, 24 August 2017 - 05:54 PM.


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If you've got the T67, and are struggling go back to your tier IV M8A1. It's not as good, but it's still pretty fast, and practice with that using cam net, binos and rammer. You also need to get your crew to 100% with sixth sense to maximise the T67 as others have explained. You don't have enough HP to give some up every time you're spotted and hit.

 

Then why not go to the http://wotreplays.com/ site, or just put "T67 Ace Tanker" into YouTube and you'll find some great examples of how to play it, with maybe some map guides.



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If you are doing 35% in a T67 something is terribly wrong, either with playing it wrong, not developing a specialist TD crew, not having the correct equipment on it, etc. So get those things right, and up your win rate there is no reason not to do well in the Skorpion, but otherwise you will have a sad and costly time. 

NiemandXL #12 Posted 25 August 2017 - 03:03 AM

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Learn how to play the T67 first before even considering getting any tier 8 TD. The T67 is a good tank to master TD gameplay and the spotting system.

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T67 is extremely more broken and OP.

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Skorpion G is nothing like the T-67. In comparison the T-67 is a piece of cake to play. Skorpion G is a tank for very experienced players if you want to use it to it's maximum potential.

 

Skoprion G has pretty much no camo what-so-ever, you have a hard hitting gun but you will get penned by any HE shell fired at you. Higher tiers also have everyone at viewrange cap on top of that so once you fire, you're spotted pretty much.

 

If you suck at the T-67, do not buy the Skorpion because you'll do worse in it.

 

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 24 August 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Skorpion G for a new player is a horrible idea! It's a powerful tank but extremely difficult to do well in, you will have a much harder time than in the T67. 

 

I would recommend buying a Löwe or IS2 that is currently on sale, these premiums would be easier to play with and more forgiving for a new player. 

 

If you are struggling with t67 make sure you are training correct skills, get sixth sense on commander and camouflage on all the rest of the crews, this is the most important skill. Use rammer, binos and camouflage net. Learn to use bushes etc. T67 is a great tank to learn bush mechanics in. 

 

So you really think a new player will do better in the fronline in a heavy, under pressure and all, most likely fighting tier9 10s?

 

Obviously in the skorpion you get the same mm and also will see tier10s, but as you are supposed to play cautiously this really doesn't matter that much. From the team perspective imo it's also to at least have a new player live a bit longer and not contribute that much than the same player getting killed in minute 1 every single battle. And from the players perspective, if he only shoots and pens twice in a battle (which is about the average i guess for such players) he will make more credits than he ever will in the lowe (or any other prem heavy/med for that matter).

 

The only requirement is to get to know some sniping positions, for the love of rommel Six sense and camo skills (and activating view range circles). 



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View PostJocMeister, on 24 August 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:

 

You do realize that the missions arn´t meant to be completed after 2,5k battles right? And most likely you wont be able to complete most of them even in a tier 8 premium? That being said the Skorpion G is a very hard tank to play and you will most likely fail horribly in it.

 

Don´t worry about the missions. The tanks you get are pretty rubbish except possibly the 260 which most people never get anyway. Stay away from tier 8 until you have at least unlocked a tier 8 tank. Also keep in mind that tier 8 is brutal right now and 90% of the games will be TX games.

 

 

 

He already has the O-Ho....too late mate. He already failed up to tier 8 in 2,5k battles.


 

OP No need to rush things. Back when i was a newb there were also missions around but i didn't panic and had to rush tiers. I just played up to tier 6 for quite a while and tried to get good enough first. If you don't do that you won't be able to do most of the missions anyway even without honors.



Sir_Grzegorz #17 Posted 25 August 2017 - 04:10 PM

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Thank you for all that replied to the question. 

To people who did not replay to the question but still post something, I would suggest to learn understanding the written text. I know you wanted good, but it was not the point of my question. Your propositions are noted and disregarded. 

@Long_Range_Sniper watching how someone was lucky in a game is useless. I have 3 Ace Tankers and I did deserve none. If someone can get Ace Tanker every other game (every third maybe) then ok. If it happens once in a hundred games it is meaningless. I do not have enough experience to know if it was luck or good play. 

 

Mods please close the thread. 

 

Just for info: I play on average 3 battles per day so it will take some time to die my way to tier 10 :D



arthurwellsley #18 Posted 25 August 2017 - 04:30 PM

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View PostSir_Grzegorz, on 24 August 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

I am terrible player and have WR of 35% in T67. Does that mean I will be as bad in Scorpion. For me they look similar, if I spot one it just dies (I drive mainly Japan Heavy Tanks). I "need" something to do missions and I think premium tank will at least not loose me money. Or I should just die my way to tier 10 and then missions will be easier. I am talking here tier 5 (or was it tier 4) personal missions. 

 

Yes you will be as bad in a Skorpion G. They are very similar in playstyle. Hide, shoot, run, Hide, shoot, run etc.

 

Personal Missions were designed by WG to presuade players to go high up different nation lines.

High tier tanks are not needed for the first set of Personal Missions. HT 15 can be done in a tier VII or VIII vehicle for the STUG.

As said above do not worry about PM's. The STUG and HTC are borderline useless. The T55a is average, and only the Object 260 is worth it, and that is hard to get if you only play a few games per night.

 

T67 is well known to be an extremely good tank. However as above it needs a good crew and a knowledge of the Hide, shoot, run playstyle. The tier VI Hellcat is much the same and is a good choice for missions as well.

 

For TD missions, try the USSR line. In general USSR tanks are the easiest to play, and TDs like SU-85,SU-100,SU-152,ISU-152, and Object 704 will complete most of the lower level TD missions and as they have a bit more armour if they are angled correctly they might suit you better.


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With your amount of battles i strongly suggest that you avoid buying premium tanks with no armor.

Also if you have trouble damaging certain tanks because you dont know where to shoot them have a look at    www.tanks.gg 


 

If you are absolutely determined to buy a T8 premium now i would point you at the heavy tanks Löwe [Germany] or T34 [USA]. You should watch guides on how to use them on youtube. You will learn alot in general

if you do that.


 

The other tier 8 heavy tanks currently available in the shop have special limited matchmaking meaning they will never fight tier 10 tanks.

Howerver to compensate for that they all have crap guns that struggle with quite a few tier 8 tanks and most tier 9 tanks. One exeption to this rule is the FCM 50t heavy tank.

Its gun is quite capable despite its limited matchmaking. However it doesnt have armor at all so i would not recommend that one either.


 

Tier 8 currently is pretty brutal because they have an obnormally high rate of mid to bottom tier matches ... atleast thats what alot of players have been complaing about. This further intensifies

your "problem" of inexperience.


 

You should stay at tier 7 for a while untill you are at T7 in 3 lines an then proceed to tier 8.


 



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Listen to the experts, I raced through tanks with no equipment or switching crew.
Then did British grind to get my 1st three tier 10s my stats have never recovered.

Thanks to reading things on here I'm finally improving but I'm still playing the wrong tanks (British) to greatly improve my stats.




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