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BKatt #1 Posted 27 August 2017 - 04:40 AM

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Is it soon time for a small buff for the Kranvagn? 

 

Am i the only one being frustrated by the gun and mobility of this tank?

It feels like this tank has no place in the game. Its either too good hulldown or incredibly sh1t in any other situation.

 

It feels like the kranvagn is to t57 and amx50b, what the is4 is to is7.

 

Im curious as to what some of you guys experience is with it.

Think its topnotch? Or do you agree that it could use a buff?



XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:34 AM

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  • Gun is massive potato.
  • Mobility is a lie.
  • DPM is trash.
  • Heat rounds are stupid with the low velocity combined with the mediocre pen.
  • Turret traverse is really "special".

 

but hey...it got strong turret so i guess it's okay!!!

 



Zodiac1960s #3 Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:11 AM

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Remove some of that ridiculous armor first..  I HATE that that thing!

Poerhis #4 Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:23 AM

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You bought a tank knowing that it's a hull down specialist. It's the thing the tank does amazingly well, while being below average in almost every other aspect.

 

The tank is fine as it is. No buff is needed.

 

EDIT: Also, you are a very good player. Have you noticed that you perform better in the Kranvagn than most of your other tier 10 heavies? ;)


Edited by Poerhis, 27 August 2017 - 08:24 AM.


Jigabachi #5 Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:17 AM

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Maybe that's the reason why the unicorn in my team decided to camp behind everyone else in that thing. ALT+F4'ed after two other guys and I got facerolled while that moron padded away.

 

But... yeah. No buffs unless it loses some of that armor. Simples.


Edited by Jigabachi, 27 August 2017 - 09:18 AM.


leggasiini #6 Posted 27 August 2017 - 10:15 AM

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Give it historical armor and mobility stats and then give it single shot 145mm rifled gun (IIRC was proposed alternative to the smoothbore 150mm). Then give it 650 alpha, APCR standard and HEAT premium

 

Do that and you have Revalorise on steroids that is bit more sluggish and probably derpier but has some armor. Would be much more interesting than the current Kranvagn that isnt neither fun to play with or to play against. And as a bonus more historical too


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View Postleggasiini, on 27 August 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Give it historical armor and mobility stats and then give it single shot 145mm rifled gun (IIRC was proposed alternative to the smoothbore 150mm). Then give it 650 alpha, APCR standard and HEAT premium

 

Do that and you have Revalorise on steroids that is bit more sluggish and probably derpier but has some armor. Would be much more interesting than the current Kranvagn that isnt neither fun to play with or to play against. And as a bonus more historical too

 

Exactly.

 

Call it a nerf or a buff or whatever but in its current state it's a pain in the backside.



Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:30 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 27 August 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Give it historical armor and mobility stats and then give it single shot 145mm rifled gun (IIRC was proposed alternative to the smoothbore 150mm). Then give it 650 alpha, APCR standard and HEAT premium

 

Do that and you have Revalorise on steroids that is bit more sluggish and probably derpier but has some armor. Would be much more interesting than the current Kranvagn that isnt neither fun to play with or to play against. And as a bonus more historical too

Sounds a lot more unique than yet another autoloader; I like it.



AliceUnchained #9 Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:01 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 27 August 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Give it historical armor and mobility stats and then give it single shot 145mm rifled gun (IIRC was proposed alternative to the smoothbore 150mm). Then give it 650 alpha, APCR standard and HEAT premium

 

Do that and you have Revalorise on steroids that is bit more sluggish and probably derpier but has some armor. Would be much more interesting than the current Kranvagn that isnt neither fun to play with or to play against. And as a bonus more historical too

 

This is Wargaming we're talking about... Historical is only an option when they're convinced it will sell better. And I think you may have just given them an idea for a premium vehicle...

Laatikkomafia #10 Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:23 PM

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View PostBKatt, on 27 August 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

Is it soon time for a small buff for the Kranvagn? 

 

Am i the only one being frustrated by the gun and mobility of this tank?

It feels like this tank has no place in the game. Its either too good hulldown or incredibly sh1t in any other situation.

 

It feels like the kranvagn is to t57 and amx50b, what the is4 is to is7.

 

Im curious as to what some of you guys experience is with it.

Think its topnotch? Or do you agree that it could use a buff?

 

Yet you seem to do rather well in it compared to your overall average. Either the tank isn't bad, or you have found out a secret, CIA-hidden way to make it work.

AliceUnchained #11 Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 27 August 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

 

Yet you seem to do rather well in it compared to your overall average. Either the tank isn't bad, or you have found out a secret, CIA-hidden way to make it work.

 

Cheating and hacking (and slashing) obviously, with CIA stamp approval on it. The stamp is invisible obviously, as it's a secret one.

sgtYester #12 Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:53 PM

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what i dont like is the speed.   i am at t9 and is says it has a top speed op 56.    but it NEVER reaches that on a straight road across the entire map.

 

only when going down a hill in el halluf u will l reach this.   this is the only tank i can think of that does not reach its top speed on its own



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View PostsgtYester, on 27 August 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

what i dont like is the speed.   i am at t9 and is says it has a top speed op 56.    but it NEVER reaches that on a straight road across the entire map.

 

only when going down a hill in el halluf u will l reach this.   this is the only tank i can think of that does not reach its top speed on its own

 

The only? 

 

Russians come to mind...



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View PostsgtYester, on 27 August 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

what i dont like is the speed.   i am at t9 and is says it has a top speed op 56.    but it NEVER reaches that on a straight road across the entire map.

 

only when going down a hill in el halluf u will l reach this.   this is the only tank i can think of that does not reach its top speed on its own

 

AMX 40 struggles to maintain half its listed top speed. 

BKatt #15 Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:45 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 27 August 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

 

Yet you seem to do rather well in it compared to your overall average. Either the tank isn't bad, or you have found out a secret, CIA-hidden way to make it work.

View PostPoerhis, on 27 August 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

You bought a tank knowing that it's a hull down specialist. It's the thing the tank does amazingly well, while being below average in almost every other aspect.

 

The tank is fine as it is. No buff is needed.

 

EDIT: Also, you are a very good player. Have you noticed that you perform better in the Kranvagn than most of your other tier 10 heavies? ;)

 

Its an autoloader, so dare i say ofcourse i do better average dmg compared to single slug 10s.

 

Yes i was/am aware that the tank is a hulldown specialist, but should it really suffer so badly because of that, in absolutely every other area?



BKatt #16 Posted 27 August 2017 - 02:52 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 27 August 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Give it historical armor and mobility stats and then give it single shot 145mm rifled gun (IIRC was proposed alternative to the smoothbore 150mm). Then give it 650 alpha, APCR standard and HEAT premium

 

Do that and you have Revalorise on steroids that is bit more sluggish and probably derpier but has some armor. Would be much more interesting than the current Kranvagn that isnt neither fun to play with or to play against. And as a bonus more historical too

I like this idea. More unique and perhaps it might be less of a gimmick.



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Krang? all 3 of the Emil's are just like this. its the reason u still dont see any of them. same as O-HO. they both perform very well but they arent "fun" to play because of the crippling shortcomings.

 

As long as emil's constantly gets rekt by arty splash for 500 damage a shot. im not playing that sluggish POS with a broken gun and no sidescrape potential arty magnet.

 

Also screw WG for giving T29 a better turret than Emil1 a whole teir higher. id play T29 in tier 8 with a slight pen buff over that trash emil1.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 27 August 2017 - 02:58 PM.


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View PostBKatt, on 27 August 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

Its an autoloader, so dare i say ofcourse i do better average dmg compared to single slug 10s.

 

Yes i was/am aware that the tank is a hulldown specialist, but should it really suffer so badly because of that, in absolutely every other area?

 

Do you also dare to say you win more often with it than, for example, E-100 and Maus?

 

Is Maus also weak?



BKatt #19 Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:43 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 27 August 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

 

Do you also dare to say you win more often with it than, for example, E-100 and Maus?

 

Is Maus also weak?

E-100 was my very first tier 10 tank. And as many others, i did the mistake of rushing the tiers. So thats paying by bad stats, just like my Leo 1 and JgPzE100, as an examble.

 

Maus is too small samplesize. And eventually i will raise its winrate.

But no Maus is not weak, its current iteration is OP. Due to poor mapdesign.

 

Kranvagn is a gimmick tank, and having one strong feature about it, shouldn't make the rest far below average.



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View PostBKatt, on 27 August 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

E-100 was my very first tier 10 tank. And as many others, i did the mistake of rushing the tiers. So thats paying by bad stats, just like my Leo 1 and JgPzE100, as an examble.

 

Maus is too small samplesize. And eventually i will raise its winrate.

But no Maus is not weak, its current iteration is OP. Due to poor mapdesign.

 

Kranvagn is a gimmick tank, and having one strong feature about it, shouldn't make the rest far below average.

 

Should the T29 and T32 be buffed as well then?




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