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zone_nord #1 Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:55 AM

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the improved mm makes it nearly impossible to grind lower tiers (and have fun), you are most of the time bottom tier (and useless)

very frustrating, tier8 is totally ruined

 

platoon play is punished, again, in anything other than t10 you will be bottom tier

 

judging by the changes in balancing and mm i m really starting to think that not a single wg developer is actively playing the game. very hard to understand how can they make so many bad decisions.

also they have the very bad habit of adjusting things from one extreme to another, again, very hard to understand

 

i ll sell all my tanks under tier9 and never grind anything untill this is fixed (if ever)

i ll also stop buying premium time

used to enjoy playing lower tiers. not anymore.

 

from bad to worse, wg. really sad.

 



Yakito #2 Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:00 AM

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Yes it is. I rarely platoon with anything else than panther/m10. Only thing I enjoy in platoons.

This issue needs an urgent fix.

How_hard_can_it_be #3 Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:02 AM

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The new MM has ruined everything above tier 9

Zodiac1960s #4 Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:26 AM

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Yeah, for once I would like to see tier ten being bottom tier. See how they like it when top tier eights come tearing them apart!...

*Click*

Now that my brain is turned on,  I do agree. MM is actually more frustrating now than before. For me at least.

DorsVenabiIi #5 Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:39 AM

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tier 9 is still great. Go for tier 9 tanks, don't bother with tier 10's, not too many of them atleast, expensive and barely worth it. Tier 10 gameplay is crapas well, almost everythings DPM is out of control which leads to a unenjoyable pace of gameplay, you can literally not keep pace with your own tanks DPM most of the time, it's dumb. Only tier 10 i've played so far that i've actually enjoyed playing is batchat 25t. 

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agreed, tier9 is ok for me also

zone_nord #7 Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:55 AM

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was trying to grind the type5 or maus lines for the ht12 mission (obj  260) but i ll give up on that

playing the o-ho bottom tier in 90% of the games is not for me

 


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View Postzone_nord, on 29 August 2017 - 12:55 AM, said:

the improved mm makes it nearly impossible to grind lower tiers (and have fun), you are most of the time bottom tier (and useless)

very frustrating, tier8 is totally ruined

 

platoon play is punished, again, in anything other than t10 you will be bottom tier

 

judging by the changes in balancing and mm i m really starting to think that not a single wg developer is actively playing the game. very hard to understand how can they make so many bad decisions.

also they have the very bad habit of adjusting things from one extreme to another, again, very hard to understand

 

i ll sell all my tanks under tier9 and never grind anything untill this is fixed (if ever)

i ll also stop buying premium time

used to enjoy playing lower tiers. not anymore.

 

from bad to worse, wg. really sad.

 

 

Still is good to farm 40 k net / game with Maus.

 

7 tier 8 / match is pretty good silver farming.

 

Brilliant tomatoes MM coders :coin:



angahir #9 Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:09 AM

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Continued to work on with US heavy line yesterday with my M6. After few games noticed that I'm most of time in Tier 8 games (and also I had beforehand read about problems in mm) so started to write down game tiers where I was put.

 

Sample size is only 15, so science here is Mythbuster-level, but anyways:

- 9 out of 15 games where Tier 8, which meant I was bottom tier.

- 2 games where Tier 7 (tanks ranging from tier 5 to 7)

- 4 games where Tier 6, consisting only Tier 6 tanks

 

So, from 15 games, only two of them had lower tier tanks than mine. At this point I moved to play Tier 5 tank and those games where much more varied in tier vice.



thestaggy #10 Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:54 AM

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Only tier 8 is stuffed in my experience while the mid-tiers are fine.

 

The new MM forces tier 8s in to mid and bottom tier roles far more often than they are top tier, resulting in tiers 6 and 7 actually having an easier time as they rarely see tier 8s and are more frequently top or mid-tier.

 

I've recently started grinding and playing a raft of mid-tier tanks (tiers 4 through 7) and I can honestly say that the MM has been fine based on the above. Once in a blue moon do I have to worry about a tier 8 in my Bromwell, Skoda T25 or VK 30.01D.


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arthurwellsley #11 Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:16 AM

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The new MM is better.

 

There I said it.

 

In the past as a tier VIII it was possible to have a string of games where there were ten, tier X tanks above your tier VIII. Now it will be a maximum of three. Grinding tech tree tanks is now more consistent. There is less chance of being completely useless with ten +2 tanks above you. Now it will be a maximum of three.

 

Also in 2012 the MM was +3. Just imagine being in a tier VII medium facing ten tier X tanks.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 29 August 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

The new MM is better.

 

There I said it.

 

In the past as a tier VIII it was possible to have a string of games where there were ten, tier X tanks above your tier VIII. Now it will be a maximum of three. Grinding tech tree tanks is now more consistent. There is less chance of being completely useless with ten +2 tanks above you. Now it will be a maximum of three.

 

Also in 2012 the MM was +3. Just imagine being in a tier VII medium facing ten tier X tanks.

 

The three tier 10s are not the only problem facing tier 8s.

 

It is also the 5 tier 9s you face in practically every battle. The difference in power between tier 8s and 9s is extreme, especially when it comes to DPM. Most tier 8 mediums cap out at 1800 DPM while their tie 9 counterparts push 2500 DPM. So even in 3/5/7 MM there are in fact 8 tanks that will be significantly better than you in almost every category.

 

Let us take a look at one of the more popular lines; Obj 140 and see how the tier 8 T-44 compares to the tier 9 T-54;

 

DPM - 1931 (T-44) vs 2567 (T-54) (base)

Gun handling - The T-54 is a beast of snapshotter thanks to the excellent .13 disperion (.19 for the T-44) when moving the tank or turret.

Mobility - Very close, but the T-54 shades it with traverse stats, so it generally moves quicker

Survivability - Firing AP, the T-54 is all but immune to the T-44's 191 mm AP shell. On the other hand, even with 201 pen the T-54 should have little trouble penning the T-44. If the T-54 goes full HEAT it is flatout no contest as with the better mobility and gun handling the T-54 will tear a T-44 to pieces.

 

 


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Id say tier 3 benefitted the MM change the most, Very frequently top tier and sees at most 5 tier 4 tanks. 

Cannes76 #14 Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:47 AM

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Tier 3 and tier 9 gained the most from the new MM, followed by tier 10. Tier 7 is also not in a too bad place. Tier 6 and 8 got shafted though.

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 29 August 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

The new MM is better.

 

There I said it.

 

In the past as a tier VIII it was possible to have a string of games where there were ten, tier X tanks above your tier VIII. Now it will be a maximum of three. Grinding tech tree tanks is now more consistent. There is less chance of being completely useless with ten +2 tanks above you. Now it will be a maximum of three.

 

Also in 2012 the MM was +3. Just imagine being in a tier VII medium facing ten tier X tanks.

 

The new MM is better. But playing tier 8s is a pain right now. It gets boring pretty fast to be constantly bottom tier.

 

Tier 9 and tier 7 are having it good though. Most comfortable tiers to play at the moment imho.



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View Postzone_nord, on 29 August 2017 - 02:55 AM, said:

the improved mm makes it nearly impossible to grind lower tiers (and have fun), you are most of the time bottom tier (and useless)

very frustrating, tier8 is totally ruined

 

platoon play is punished, again, in anything other than t10 you will be bottom tier

 

judging by the changes in balancing and mm i m really starting to think that not a single wg developer is actively playing the game. very hard to understand how can they make so many bad decisions.

also they have the very bad habit of adjusting things from one extreme to another, again, very hard to understand

 

i ll sell all my tanks under tier9 and never grind anything untill this is fixed (if ever)

i ll also stop buying premium time

used to enjoy playing lower tiers. not anymore.

 

from bad to worse, wg. really sad.

 

 

Yup. I'm really sure that none of the WG staff members are playing their own game.

 

They have no idea how this Matchmaking is working or how to "fix" it...

 

I think it's one of the main problems why this game is getting worse and worse...



Thuis001 #17 Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:12 AM

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While it is true that anything that isn't tier X basicly gets a lot of being bottem tier, I love how people only whine about tier VIII (rightfully that they whine about it but that isn't my point here) but completely forget that exactly the same issue is happening to tier VI, even though tier VIII sees a lot of tier X these days, the sheer amount of tier VIII players means that tier VI is bottem tier a lot aswell, and while it can be fun to deal almost 1k damage to a Rhm- Borsig or Skorpion G with a KV-2, the fact that you often get butchered by tier VIII isn't fun, I mean you stand no chance against tier VIII in your tier VI, since most tanks have almost twice the hitpoints, and while tier VIII mediums have awfull DPM, the still have the HP to tank a lot of hits of lower tiers, and they can duck into cover waiting for there 7-8 seconds reload while most of the tier VI tanks have 3-5 seconds reload so they need to stay exposed a lot more to deal their damage. And while tier VIII can struggle against tier IX and X super-heavies (and perhaps the turret armor of some tanks) they often stand more of a chance against tier X than tier VI stands against tier VIII.

Blubba #18 Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:20 AM

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What I like about the new MM is that you can never be over tiered by more than 8 enemy tanks and it's often only five or none whatsoever. That's a big plus.

What I dislike about the new MM is that being top tier is as rare as rocking horse s**t. This means it gets wearing pretty quick (for me). My sessions are much shorter now which if I'm not alone is a bad thing for WG so I am hoping they are looking into it with some urgency.



NervosCuNervii #19 Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:22 AM

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The new MM is a step closer to the +1mm but it's also a mess. I've stopped platooning as getting bottom tier all the time gets really old, really fast.
Another thing that was mentioned somewhere is that they got rid of the tank weight system yet I get highly inconsistent results when playing the same class at the same tier. I barelly get tier 10 matches in my Centurion 1 and see a lot of full tier 8 matches with being in tier 6 a rarity and tier 9 being the next common thing after full tier 8. However, playing the Obj 416 got me 4/5 times in tier 10 games.

If one would be paranoid, I'd say that because I spammed HEAT all the time in the 416 I got introduced to tougher opposition because of it. While because I didn't fire a single APCR shell in the Centurion I got into more "normal" matches.

Also, while grinding the AMX AC 48 and UDES I saw matches in a similar fashion to the Centurion. While grinding the Emil 1 I ended up in tier 10 all the time.

Edited by NervosCuNervii, 29 August 2017 - 09:24 AM.


SlyMeerkat #20 Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:34 AM

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Yes i have noticed more annoying things since the MM change but i tend not to swell on it so much and do your best, its all that can be done for now.




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