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Poll: JT 88 (90 members have cast votes)

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Jagdtiger 88 is now...

  1. Still bad. (78 votes [86.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.67%

  2. Good. (12 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

Do you think JT 88 needs more buffs?

  1. Yes, buff alpha damage but nerf DPM. (20 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  2. Buff penetration of gun. (56 votes [62.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.22%

  3. It doesnt need buff. (14 votes [15.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.56%

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Toni112007 #1 Posted 30 August 2017 - 08:42 PM

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So, whats your opinion of JT88 mobility buff? Is it capable tank now? In my opinion this tank simply doesnt work in current meta. No matter what buffs it will be bad on most maps. Unless you give it better gun or alpha damage imo. What do you think? Is JT88 good now or?

Edited by Toni112007, 30 August 2017 - 08:44 PM.


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View PostToni112007, on 30 August 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

So, whats your opinion of JT88 mobility buff? Is it capable tank now? In my opinion this tank simply doesnt work in current meta. No matter what buffs it will be bad on most maps. Unless you give it better gun or alpha damage imo. What do you think? Is JT88 good now or?

 

LOL. You still can't pen a defender without prem ammo and even then it's not super easy if he hides the LFP. You also have no armor, crapalpha, bad gun placement, narrow arc. It's a bad TD. It got powercreped. Nothing to do with the meta.

Cobra6 #3 Posted 30 August 2017 - 09:16 PM

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This thing needs the exact mobility of a fully upgraded T9 Jagdtiger, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance.

 

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Akilis31 #4 Posted 27 April 2018 - 05:45 PM

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please buff ! 30€ for a turtle without armor ! :/ my worst premium tier VIII

apaleytos #5 Posted 27 April 2018 - 08:32 PM

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The extra long 88mm gun (L/100) would a be a good start keeping the current dpm.I dont have tha tank but if people complain about the mobility should be buffed indeed.Who buys a jtiger 88 in 2018 :trollface:.

Edited by apaleytos, 27 April 2018 - 08:33 PM.


Hiisi #6 Posted 27 April 2018 - 08:55 PM

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Germans needs historical pen values for their guns. Current values fictional and germans are UP nation mostly. They should have good guns.

Jumping_TurtIe #7 Posted 27 April 2018 - 08:59 PM

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I will gladly return this tank if they give me my money back

Zylon0 #8 Posted 27 April 2018 - 09:44 PM

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I am still playing the jagdtiger 8.8, but I have to admit its not exactly fun.

You feel outdated in 2018.

 

Other tanks it faces in the field have gained penetration and/or armor.

What made the tank work in the past, no longer works because of that.

 

The superstructure used to be impenetrable, if you got it hull down in a specific spot of the map.

No longer so. 

The DPM used to be the great strength of this tank.

But when you have trouble penetrating tanks then that no longer works either.

You only get frustrated.

 

Yet we still have all the disadvantages of the tank.

It is still slow, it still turns slow, your sides and rear are still vulnerable and easy to hit.

The lower plate and mid plate are easy to pen for other tanks.

Besides that it has horrible camo for a TD.

 

Only if you managed to get hull down and just the superstructure is exposed do you have a chance in this tank.

A frustrating chance. Bounce, bounce, bounce. 

 

I say raise the penetration of this tank to 220 and see how that works out.

Perhaps this will once more make it into the DPS machine that it used to be.

 

Currently I am thinking SIGH, when I look at this weekends premium tank event where the goal is to win a match "and" be in the top 10 placed xp earned.

And all I have is this tier 8 jagdtiger 8.8.


Edited by Zylon0, 27 April 2018 - 09:47 PM.


Cuck0osNest #9 Posted 28 April 2018 - 12:31 AM

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What kind of buff? All you must ask is to remove gold rounds from game while playing on it.

Spurtung #10 Posted 28 April 2018 - 01:08 AM

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View PostCuck0osNest, on 28 April 2018 - 01:31 AM, said:

What kind of buff? All you must ask is to remove gold rounds from game while playing on it.

 

The IS-6 can't pen the superstructure, no matter how many premium rounds it shoots.

Cuck0osNest #11 Posted 28 April 2018 - 01:13 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 28 April 2018 - 01:08 AM, said:

 

The IS-6 can't pen the superstructure, no matter how many premium rounds it shoots.

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What next? IS6 cant turn?

I just checked that ignore, and wow it quotes me! Never again...


Edited by Cuck0osNest, 28 April 2018 - 01:14 AM.


DutchBaron_ #12 Posted 28 April 2018 - 10:03 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 28 April 2018 - 01:08 AM, said:

 

The IS-6 can't pen the superstructure, no matter how many premium rounds it shoots.

But that's an argument that the IS-6 is bad ATM, not that the jagdtiger 8.8 is good or can bounce much. 250 mm is still something, but basically flat, and with goldrounds and tier 9 tanks it doesn't really hold up. And you can't really angle it between reloads because of the short reload time



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View PostDutchBaron_, on 28 April 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

But that's an argument that the IS-6 is bad ATM, not that the jagdtiger 8.8 is good or can bounce much. 250 mm is still something, but basically flat, and with goldrounds and tier 9 tanks it doesn't really hold up. And you can't really angle it between reloads because of the short reload time

 

I quoted something, with a specific example where what was suggested wouldn't change anything. I know they're both bad.

Cuck0osNest #14 Posted 29 April 2018 - 02:34 AM

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View PostDutchBaron_, on 28 April 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

But that's an argument that the IS-6 is bad ATM, not that the jagdtiger 8.8 is good or can bounce much. 250 mm is still something, but basically flat, and with goldrounds and tier 9 tanks it doesn't really hold up. And you can't really angle it between reloads because of the short reload time

 

If you wana pen 250mm you just buy T34 and penetrate it with AP 1 out of 5, if you wana win on IS6 you just find A and D buttons and sometime start to use S play all roles including sniping ones. And if WG create more overpowered tank than yours you boycott it standing near WG office and throw rocks in windows or create topics about corruption in games.

Edited by Cuck0osNest, 29 April 2018 - 02:39 AM.


Dankvart #15 Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:08 AM

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I got Jgd Tiger 8.8 in April 2015 or so, and back then it was as painfully worthless as it is now.

 

If WG gives it such a crappy gun, it MUST have mobility for flanking. And if it has no mobility but a sort of ok frontal armor (although not outstanding - even back then I was often getting penetrations in my face) - then it MUST have a gun with good pen. Otherwise it simply makes no sense.

 

Always seemed to me like a waste of money, a huge scam.

 

Well, not surprising - WG also sells to Germans such "amazing" things like Pz III K (absolutely worst premium in the game) and Steyr WT.



Zylon0 #16 Posted 30 April 2018 - 03:09 AM

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Why this tank needs a buff besides the bouncing shots from the jagdpanzer 8.8 on enemy armor, are the other downsides it has.

 

It has no turret, thus getting tracked is a big problem.

While it is a TD it has horrible camo rating. (it is as bad as the worst camo medium at tier 8)

It can not relocate, chase, quickly find cover or speed to the capzone in time due to speed.

It is a big target as well as slow, so if you have to cross terrain where you can get shot from multiple angles your most likely an easy target.

 

It does not have the agility to fight any tank 1 on 1 that has more agility up close.

To any capable light, medium or fast heavy it is a sitting duck, when they close the distance.

 

The jagdpanzer 8.8 has a very specific role.

It was once an immovable DPM machine in specific locations, that was different and fun to play.

Also fun as a support role due to the DPM and accurate aiming.

It even says so in the premium shop.

 

Quote "Similar to the regular vehicle at Tier IX, the Jagdtiger with the 8,8 cm Pak 43 relies on damage per minute instead of punching massive holes into enemy armour. In fact, the reload time is so low that you are able to shoot your opponents multiple times while they reload – from any distance. It may take a couple of games to get used to its unusual playstyle but the Jagdtiger 8.8 won't let you down in battle!"

 

It can no longer serve its role on the battlefield. It does let us down in battle.

 

These days It has become a pushover on the battlefield, that can no longer reliably penetrate its opposition.

Thus DPM has become low and frustration all around from bouncing all day.

If other tanks no longer fear its gun, they will charge in and knife fight it up close. (what do they have to lose? 2-3 more bounces of their armor?)

 



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View PostSpurtung, on 28 April 2018 - 01:08 AM, said:

 

The IS-6 can't pen the superstructure, no matter how many premium rounds it shoots.

 

Nor it's lower plate reliably, even with gold. As the Jadgtiger 88 has more armor there then the tier 9. Tier 9 you can pen with AP with the IS-6. As it's not even 170 effective. With AP it's not even a 30% chance to pen it on the tier 8. Why? Well they decided it was a better compromise vs a mobility buff.

 

But considering how easy the 88 is to counter vs the tier 9 with mobility alone.... It needs it, lower plate buff aside. As they can't take that back now.

 

View PostZylon0, on 30 April 2018 - 03:09 AM, said:

If other tanks no longer fear its gun, they will charge in and knife fight it up close. (what do they have to lose? 2-3 more bounces of their armor?)

 

No one ever did tbh. They feared the DPM. As back in the day that thing was effective at farming credits due to it. Pen is fine tbh, as the pen is why it has the DPM. But if it was better at relocating and traversing, it might make better use of it. But from what I've seen, it can't atm. As the power to weight is better, but it's effective traverse is worse off then the tier 9 to name one.



Suurpolskija #18 Posted 30 April 2018 - 05:42 AM

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Yes, it needs a turret. Nerf the armor to compensate and give it a boxy look. Put it @ tier7 and remove the "jagd" from the name and there ya go. A new tier7 turreted td with crap armor but good dpm, called Tiger 88. :D

Hamsterkicker #19 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:57 AM

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Just compare it to the SU100-Y.. Mind you that thing is on tier 6.

 

SU100 Y.. tier 6, 440 alpha, 35 km speed, dpm 2000. Pen 196 (prem ammo even has 510 alpha for slighty lower 171 Pen). Faces Tier 8 max.

 

Jgdtiger8.8: tier 8, 240 alpha, 38 km speed, dpm: 2100. Pen 203 mm (prem has 237 mm but some alpha). Faces Tier 9 max

 

Case closed.


Edited by Hamsterkicker, 30 April 2018 - 07:58 AM.


Thejagdpanther #20 Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:32 AM

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The buff is super ok and the tank become playable.
What throw all the good things out of the windows?

The new mm and the broken tier 8 premiums.


Edited by Thejagdpanther, 30 April 2018 - 08:33 AM.





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