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commer #1 Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:59 AM

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So everyone cries how Foch B is op because it has 6 shells and good dpm. I have played it a bit and nope. It has crapgun control. You miss most of your clip because the platform is so awkward, the fire controll so bad and the pen so low. Yes it can permatrack you and kill you but it's a one trick pony. It can't snipe and it gets killed close range. I prefer to play the old foch

soul3ater #2 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:36 AM

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it's a situational tank and that's about it.

 

awful pen ant it can't snipe for shi...

 

I would've been happy if they fixed 155's aim time and made 2.7-3 sec in between clips, improve the rld time, increase speed and side armour and there you have a tank which is balanced. there was really no need to introduce new tank. I have said it when they announced it..people will spend money to free exp the thing and that is the whole reason WG did what they did.

 

frustrating tank to play tbh.


Edited by soul3ater, 31 August 2017 - 02:38 AM.


commer #3 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:48 AM

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View Postsoul3ater, on 31 August 2017 - 02:36 AM, said:

it's a situational tank and that's about it.

 

awful pen ant it can't snipe for shi...

 

I would've been happy if they fixed 155's aim time and made 2.7-3 sec in between clips, improve the rld time, increase speed and side armour and there you have a tank which is balanced. there was really no need to introduce new tank. I have said it when they announced it..people will spend money to free exp the thing and that is the whole reason WG did what they did.

 

frustrating tank to play tbh.

 

Bbbbut better than wtfauf E100 because good dpm... 

Jigabachi #4 Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:23 AM

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The WTF100 was the same kind of one trick pony. Still balancebreaking... like most autoloaders.


Edited by Jigabachi, 31 August 2017 - 03:25 AM.


soul3ater #5 Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:26 AM

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View Postcommer, on 31 August 2017 - 01:48 AM, said:

 

Bbbbut better than wtfauf E100 because good dpm... 

 

they don't know nothing, most of the comments who were comparing it to WT were primarily from people who never played it but saw their favourite streamer reking shi..on test server.

 

I don't take most of the people who post here serious. 


Edited by soul3ater, 31 August 2017 - 03:26 AM.


superfly2000 #6 Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:41 AM

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Not OP at aaaaaaallll......   :facepalm:

DorsVenabiIi #7 Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:19 AM

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It's at the same level as TVP, same press W hold left button tank tailor made for idiots. 

gullungen #8 Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:45 AM

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Not op at all. I was playing it last night and i was almost banging my head into my keyboard because how annoyingly bad it is.

 

It was overhyped and overrated waaaaaay too much..



MR_FIAT #9 Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:26 AM

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terribly overhyped, i prefer my 155 thank you very much. 

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View PostJigabachi, on 31 August 2017 - 05:23 AM, said:

The WTF100 was the same kind of one trick pony. Still balancebreaking... like most autoloaders.

 

WTF100 had bigger damage per shot, td like penetration and turret.

Louis2brosGummer #11 Posted 31 August 2017 - 07:25 AM

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Situational or not, it's just stupidly OP in the right hands... one appeared up close around a hill. I lost my track and he did damage on the first shot, then clipped me to death. wtf 400 damage every 2 seconds is just OP as hell. every 2000 hp tank will loose such a fight. I could just shoot only once in the same interval. (e75) of course no bounces. I was like wtf, doesn't he have to reload ? then I looked up the stats and saw it had 6 shells to fire. wtf WG you never learn. the foch is so low it can reliably pen the lower plate when close enough. remove at least one shell to give people a fighting chance. this is no fighting, but just deleting.:sceptic:

Edited by Louis2brosGummer, 31 August 2017 - 07:26 AM.


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View PostLouis2brosGummer, on 31 August 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

Situational or not, it's just stupidly OP in the right hands... one appeared up close around a hill. I lost my track and he did damage on the first shot, then clipped me to death. wtf 400 damage every 2 seconds is just OP as hell. every 2000 hp tank will loose such a fight. I could just shoot only once in the same interval. (e75) of course no bounces. I was like wtf, doesn't he have to reload ? then I looked up the stats and saw it had 6 shells to fire. wtf WG you never learn. the foch is so low it can reliably pen the lower plate when close enough. remove at least one shell to give people a fighting chance. this is no fighting, but just deleting.:sceptic:

 

Whats wrong with deleting? I love deleting stuff!

And one actually need to have a skill with this tank to get proper results atm  - in my experiance this thing dies before everything else even if 10 tanks are in the same spot.

Also its armor just doesnt work.

But its fun when i dont [edited] up and when it works.

 

Edit: i love my strv 103b better :)


Edited by imendars, 31 August 2017 - 07:55 AM.


Louis2brosGummer #13 Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:06 AM

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yeah well ,it's because not so competent players drag the wr and damage numbers down that some tanks are not considered OP, but they are. I have seen the fochB in the hands of bad players and they fail, but good players will do crazy damage. it's balanced for t10 i.m.o. but not against lower tiers. I hope it will be nerfed somewhat, they should at least remove one shell. so that in case of one bounce (only one) you can survive a one on one brawl. it can still clip most tanks with one shell less. but we will see what happens. WG does not seem to learn from autoloader fails before.

Edited by Louis2brosGummer, 31 August 2017 - 08:08 AM.


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I've not played my 50B yet, but on the test server it seemed to me the logical way to use it was to try and aim the entire clip at one tank in one stream of shells, then retreat and reload. The ineffective way was to snipe single shots here and there. The machine gun approach results in massive damage rolls and wherever possible I would reload a part used drum in anticipation of doing just that. Of course not every tactic translates itself from the test server to the real game, but I'll try it later today.

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View PostJigabachi, on 31 August 2017 - 03:23 AM, said:

The WTF100 was the same kind of one trick pony. Still balancebreaking... like most autoloaders.

 

There's no comparison here. WTE 100 was way way stronger.

zen_monk_ #16 Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:22 AM

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This TD is made to flank someone very close. Only then it's full potential shines. For all else it's not so great.

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Bora_BOOM #17 Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:23 AM

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Sure it's not OP.

It's gun is broken.

 

Edit: it's gun is bad for opponents, and everything else is bad for the player, except maybe the armor. So what you get is usually camping at the base and racking dmg. Last night on four maps avg bobs did 4-5-6k camping (highway t8, cliff t10, one grand battles game and on Westfield t8.)


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View PostBora_BOOM, on 31 August 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Sure it's not OP.

It's gun is broken. 

 

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tajj7 #19 Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:31 AM

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Time will tell if it's OP, but there was no need for such high clip potential it's just not balanced. Deathstars, Jpe100, waffle after nerf are bad tanks but not balanced either.

bgjudge #20 Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:36 AM

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Can someone tell me what will happen if FOCH fail to kill its target ? How funny it is to shoot reloading autoloader. 

If you remove 1 shell - down to 2000dmg every 2nd medium WILL KILL FOCH like nothing, not talking about BOUNCING 1 or 2 shell. Will be funn, And this 257pen is not enough for TD.

If you make the pen like Strv - about 300pen standart and 360 premium=> you can remove 1 shell. Else=> will kill the tank cause T57 will be 10 times better- turret, fast reload, same standart penetration and EPIC Gold pen of 340 HeaT not like 325pen APCR of FOCH B.

So far for me Foch B is tricky to play plus 6 shells or nothing. 

Or they can make it like STRV B single shot gun with 308 pen (standart!! cause now FOCH B have 325 GOLD/Premium pen).






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