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Poll: Will Foch 50B be nerfed? (104 members have cast votes)

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Will Foch 50B be nerfed?

  1. Yes, within a month (8 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Yes, by the end of this year (28 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  3. Yes, next year or later (34 votes [32.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.69%

  4. No, it will not be nerfed (34 votes [32.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.69%

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qpranger #1 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:01 AM

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People already comparing it to WT auf E100 and what not.

I predict one shell removal from the drum, what do you think?



eldrak #2 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:02 AM

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My bet is on late january/early feb

CroatorumRex #3 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:03 AM

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they always fucked up with new balance

Cobra6 #4 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:18 AM

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It will be nerfed after the maximum amount of players have spent money/gold free-XP'ing it.

 

This is Wargaming's modus operandi. They don't care about long term balance, they only care about short term profit.

 

Cobra 6


Edited by Cobra6, 31 August 2017 - 09:18 AM.


CoDiGGo #5 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:25 AM

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op/broken ➞ $$$$$$ ➞ nerf

Spurtung #6 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:33 AM

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I think we can also make a countdown to it being nerfed beyond reason, to then have an hiatus where nobody touches it and finally ending up being replaced with...Foch C, 5 years from now.

brumbarr #7 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:37 AM

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I expect the same thing to happen to it as the tvp t50,atfirst everyome thinks its OP, but wg leave it alone and after a year due to powercreep and meta changes its now balanced.

KLguns #8 Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:51 AM

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I have the only one solution that works for this, play T7 or below.

GalmTwo #9 Posted 31 August 2017 - 10:17 AM

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So I guess people will call any new tank OP and would like it nerfed

Coldspell #10 Posted 31 August 2017 - 10:25 AM

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Just lemme complete a few td missions in it before the nerf, does anyone know what the story with grand battles and missions are?

Darius_B1bis #11 Posted 31 August 2017 - 10:54 AM

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A crap of td nerfed? In tier X battles the only one way to play Foch B is with APCR! And even with them I bounced the lower plate of heavy VK B, tier IX, without any angling!

It is a good med killer, I understand that med lovers will be disappointed (instead to be quiet, because meds are the only tanks who guarantee victory in tier X battles), but it's unuseful with AP against decently armoured tanks! And if the player chooses med side it needs a lot of help, or it will be destroyed in a few seconds!



Balc0ra #12 Posted 31 August 2017 - 11:44 AM

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Wt auf E100 was what? 2 patches? So it will be at least 4-6 months. And I guess they will try the same thing they did on the WT. One round less, same reload and worse soft stats.

 

View PostCobra6, on 31 August 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

It will be nerfed after the maximum amount of players have spent money/gold free-XP'ing it.

 

 

I suspect they reached their target on the people that wanted the 155 alone vs any new tier X of late.


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 August 2017 - 11:45 AM.


commer #13 Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:57 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 31 August 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

People already comparing it to WT auf E100 and what not.

I predict one shell removal from the drum, what do you think?

 

People who have not played it compare it to WTF100. People who have played it say it is crap. 2800dmg in 8s with turret, pen and accuracy is much better than 2400dmg in 10s where you bounce half and do 1200dmg. Foch is a horrible platform and has horrible fire control so the tank is cancerous. So far after playing all night I have 1000dpg less than my FV183 and similar dpg to my pre buff t9 Foch. OP tank confirmed. 

 

PS. Are all your threads injustified panic and shitposting?



commer #14 Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:58 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 31 August 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

I expect the same thing to happen to it as the tvp t50,atfirst everyome thinks its OP, but wg leave it alone and after a year due to powercreep and meta changes its now balanced.

 

TVP is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. I'd rather drive the TVP with a dead driver and commander than the Foch.. Though the T9 is a much more fun tank. 

commer #15 Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:59 PM

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View PostDarius_B1bis, on 31 August 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

A crap of td nerfed? In tier X battles the only one way to play Foch B is with APCR! And even with them I bounced the lower plate of heavy VK B, tier IX, without any angling!

It is a good med killer, I understand that med lovers will be disappointed (instead to be quiet, because meds are the only tanks who guarantee victory in tier X battles), but it's unuseful with AP against decently armoured tanks! And if the player chooses med side it needs a lot of help, or it will be destroyed in a few seconds!

 

I love the med conspiracy theorists even though on most maps it's heavies who win key engagement and meds become good only in the hands of very skilled players.

qpranger #16 Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

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View Postcommer, on 31 August 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

PS. Are all your threads injustified panic and shitposting?

 

None of my posts fall under this category although, sadly, some of the replies do.

commer #17 Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:27 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 31 August 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

None of my posts fall under this category although, sadly, some of the replies do.

 

Strangely I only noticed you are behind all those shitposts because others have accused you of this. You cry all the time. You don't have the tanks you speak about and you suck at this game. What makes you qualified to make those silly judgements then? Maybe if you spent all that time you spend on the forums on learning the game you might get better.

Darius_B1bis #18 Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:58 PM

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View Postcommer, on 31 August 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

 

I love the med conspiracy theorists even though on most maps it's heavies who win key engagement and meds become good only in the hands of very skilled players.

The standard situation which causes defeats when I play Foch 155 is meds' death and loss of their side. When I face heavies which have defeated their counterpart, Foch (and all tier X armoured tds) is able to stop them (unless you are outnumbered and surrounded). I have lost too many battles without serious mistakes and with poor dmg when lights and meds surrounded and easily killed me.



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View PostDarius_B1bis, on 31 August 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

The standard situation which causes defeats when I play Foch 155 is meds' death and loss of their side. When I face heavies which have defeated their counterpart, Foch (and all tier X armoured tds) is able to stop them (unless you are outnumbered and surrounded). I have lost too many battles without serious mistakes and with poor dmg when lights and meds surrounded and easily killed me.

 

Look up confirmation bias. Key areas of the maps are still brawls which favour armored tanks. Also if a foch can stop you in a heavy then you don't know how to play heavies. Yes if your team collapses and enemies surround you, you will be farmed by meds but that's not because meds are better. Meds are faster so they are the first enemy tanks to reach you for end game farm. Tell me what advantages meds have over heavies for Stalingrad, Kharkov, Ensk, Mountain Pass, Abbey and other corridor maps where you can't flank and armor, hp and alpha mean more than agility.

 

Also look at VBaddict Win rates for tanks that are not super rare and for WR curves. Meds work well only for better players. For tomatoes heavies are better. People think meds are OP only because meds kill them late battle but those meds did less for the win in key moments of the game. In most games when I see BC, Obj140 and CAX in my team vs 2xis7 and E100 in enemy team I know it will be hard to win unless it's one of the 3-4 open maps.


Edited by commer, 31 August 2017 - 02:05 PM.


Darius_B1bis #20 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:28 PM

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You are absolutely right about noob-proof heavies, but it depends on what's your favourite type of tank. If you prefer Tds, you are happy to see a corridor map with plenty of heavies which are going to be your lunch. But there are lights and meds, too. And a skilled med player is able to play even in a city map, waiting the right moment to rush and kill you when you're busy with heavies. 

In corridor maps, then, I'm not afraid for heavies, because I know their movements and I can govern my response. I'm worried about lights which run into our lines and kill us when we're facing heavies. And the cause of these situations is no filter by teammates with lights and meds.






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