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Why didn't Wargaming include the Stridsvagn m/41 in the Swedish tech-tree?


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freddiebox #1 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:03 PM

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Being a tank produced in large numbers and very popular in Sweden during the war I don't see why the Swedish tech-tree can't get their improved variant of the LT-38.

 

There was a big shortage lack of tanks in Sweden at the beginning of World War II. As Germany the Swedish Army ordered the LT-38 from Prague. However, these were seized by Germany, which used them during Operation Barbarossa in 1941, under the name PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. S (where S stands for Schweden - Sweden). The tanks were ordered without weapons as Sweden planned on mounting their own Bofors gun. The Germans ordered their own 37 mm cannons from Skoda in German-coccupied Czechoslovakia.

 

Sweden eventually received blueprints and license for the tank and became known as Stridsvagn m/41. Around 116 of the S-model were built at Scania-Vabis. It had thicker armour and higher weight and is therefore equipped with a stronger engine. The chassis was extended by 65 mm to accommodate the stronger engine. Alot of these were converted into the Stormartillerivagn m/43, or as known in World of Tanks the Sav m/43. Pretty much the same story of the Hetzer.

 

Armour: 8-25 mm (8-50 mm)

Primary Armament: Bofors 37 mm kan m/38 strv

Max Speed: 45 km/h

 

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qpranger #2 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:06 PM

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yes no maybe

Balc0ra #3 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:07 PM

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Do we really need a 3rd version of that tank? It's already in the Czech and German tech tree. I suspect that's why. 

 

Edit: Yeah, a quick google later and you learn that Sweden did order 90 of these. But most were never delivered since Czechoslovakia was invaded by Germany long before the rest of the order was done.


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 August 2017 - 02:09 PM.


leggasiini #4 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:08 PM

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Because it would bring absolutely nothing to this game?

 

Why the heck would anyone even care about a lowtier clone? Lol lmao



freddiebox #5 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:11 PM

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Because the Stridsvagn m/41 is an iconic tank in Sweden? As I mentioned in the original post the tank was used up until 1950, and the tank destroyer already in the game the Stormartillerivagn m/43 is based on the Stridsvagn m/41.

 

And personally the LT-38, especially the German variant PzKpfw 38(t) is a wonderful tank to play. It would be even more wonderful to play in a Swedish improved version. To me it would make more sense to add tanks actually used and produced in large numbers, than prioritizing blueprint tanks like the Stridsvagn KRV. Heck, even the Stridsvagn m/39 which became the 40L and L-60 would be more exciting to see.


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ZlatanArKung #6 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:13 PM

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I wonder how iconic a tank is in Sweden if I as a Swedish citizen have never heard of it....

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 31 August 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

I wonder how iconic a tank is I Sweden if I as a Swedish citizen have never heard of it....

 

Bad bad citizen, I say strip you of citizenship.

freddiebox #8 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:16 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 31 August 2017 - 02:13 PM, said:

I wonder how iconic a tank is in Sweden if I as a Swedish citizen have never heard of it....

 

You should be ashamed indeed as over 100 of these tanks were produced, and on display at Arsenalen in Strängnäs.

Balc0ra #9 Posted 31 August 2017 - 02:36 PM

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View Postfreddiebox, on 31 August 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

Because the Stridsvagn m/41 is an iconic tank in Sweden?

 

And as pointed out. It don't really add to anything gameplay wise. It's already in the game under two different flags already. And it's not really a Swedish tank, it's a license tank. And when you have limited space and time to develop a tech tree. It makes sense to focus on what they built them self. Not ordered abroad.  I mean the L-60 to name one was sold and build under a license to other nations. Would make as little sense to add those under the EU tech tree again if that ever comes. Tho Hungary only did order one for research. They did base the Toldi on it.

 

View Postfreddiebox, on 31 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

You should be ashamed indeed as over 100 of these tanks were produced, and on display at Arsenalen in Strängnäs.

 

Actually they got over 200 of them. Most were converted to 301's that saw service way past the 60's.

 

View Postfreddiebox, on 31 August 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

To me it would make more sense to add tanks actually used and produced in large numbers

 

m/38 maybe. But the 40L almost saw 200 as well.

 

 



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I'd say they're keeping it for when they add the Swedish MT line.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 August 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

And as pointed out. It don't really add to anything gameplay wise. It's already in the game under two different flags already. And it's not really a Swedish tank, it's a license tank. And when you have limited space and time to develop a tech tree. It makes sense to focus on what they built them self. Not ordered abroad.  I mean the L-60 to name one was sold and build under a license to other nations. Would make as little sense to add those under the EU tech tree again if that ever comes. Tho Hungary only did order one for research. They did base the Toldi on it.

 

As it was a substantial part of the Swedish army for a long time, it certainly has its place in the tech-tree.




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