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TheBritishBrit #1 Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:29 AM

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Is this thing weak, or am I mistaken? 

 

I bought this tank with little expectation, knowing it was probably going to be pretty weak, big cupola, only really able to take frontal shots, crappy LFP and side armour, but enough to semi-sidescrape in. The only thing I was expecting to be good was the gun, and that is literally it. Well, I'm happy to say all of my expectations were filled, and more, the entire roof of the turret can be overmatched by 120mm+ guns which is absolutely stupid, and of course, you have the blaring cupola, you basically can't really miss a penetration on that things turret. Oh, and the plate above the gun mantlet too, basically an autopen for any tier 8+ vehicle. To summarise, the entire top of the turret (Which is practically almost half the turret) is a weakspot. Nice. Now the hull, I expected it to be crap, like really crap. Garbage LFP, never thought any different until I soon realised that you don't dare try to sidescrape it because even at the slightest angle they can pen your inside drive wheel, and if you don't give it enough angle they'll just slam around into your LFP. Oh, and of course the turret, if they don't want to shoot at any of those paper thin areas, they can also shoot at the ELC that's used as an armour plate for the roof of the turret.

 

I read somewhere that this thing is supposed to be used as a heavium. Excuse me... what? The tank doesn't go above 35 kp/h, it's traverse speed is barely something to be proud of and the thing is as tall as a Maus?!? Not to mention the fact that it doesn't get the typical American -10 degrees of gun depression. I expected nothing, and i'm still disappointed.

 

Pretty much every tier 8 and 9 heavy tanks has better armour/effective armour than this thing, as well as mobility, including pretty much every premium tier 8 heavy (Should I be surprised? No, probably not). While you may say "Oh but the M103 can easily 1v1 a Patriot, AMX M4 and so on" Sure, they're a tier lower, lower DPM, but if they were semi-competent they wouldn't have any problem penning an M103. Tier for tier, the M103 is so much worse than all of them.

 

So what the hell do I do? I can't brawl unless I'm top top tier, and even then it pretty much completely fails at it. I can't perform like a 'heavium' because it's versatility is pretty crap too. 


Please, for god's sake, either tell me i'm right or tell me what I need to do, cause i'm begging for an armour buff...


Edited by TheBritishBrit, 01 September 2017 - 12:31 AM.


lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:32 AM

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It sucks, at least IMO. It is a bad Conqueror. 

VeryRisky #3 Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:26 AM

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Have you got the top gun yet.   It has rather nice handling.

PanzerKFeldherrnhalle #4 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:35 AM

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Any tank with a good gun isn't bad and as for armour think about what the ST-1 could pull 7 or 8 patches ago and how "average" it has become since so many good tanks and good guns were introduced. I would consider the M103 nowadays more capable than the ST-1. The hull armour while not notorious is actually decent and even the lower plate will bounce more than it sometimes should.

The game is at a stage where armour is very dominant (Japanese Heavies, Defender) if it's broken, as will work even against premium ammo (not all but a good share). However, good armour (not broken) isn't preferable to having a very good or a good gun. What makes the M103 "feel average" isn't so much the armour but alpha. Apart from that is a very capable heavy.

gunslingerXXX #5 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:25 AM

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It's the only tier 9 tank I have, so I cannot really compare, however I do like the M103 enough to keep it.

 

After the horrible gun on the T32, the M103 is a major improvement. Feels really nice to have some penetration and alpha. Armor wise you do have a point. Don't rely on it. Hull down is no guarantee anymore. However I noticed that if you keep jiggling you will get (quite) some bounces from the upper front plate. Also the limited armor means you don't get an excessive amount of gold spammed at you.



Call_me_BamBam #6 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:28 AM

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m103 is all about gun. 

the_Haba #7 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:41 AM

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M103 perfectly hull down: ~200 mm frontal weak spot.

 

M103 on flat ground: 70 mm effective armor.

 

It is always a great fun to unload a whole clip into a "hulldown" M103. And oh boy if you can get the high ground.

 

The gun is not bad, but don't ever expect your tank to have armor.



Radu_Korne #8 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:42 AM

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wiggle, rock back and forth a bit... and pray for RNG. Armor is not the main thing of M103, even hulldown it's kinda bad because of the control tower on top (aka cupola, but I suspect it can launch Tomahawk missiles too). I found the M103 more enjoyable than Conqueror. You get some extra gun depression and HEAT shells. You can also fight end-game better in M103. Conqueror is so slow and hull is crappy, APCR loses a lot of pen over distance. Turret is stronker in Conqueror, yes, but I actually found M103 a bit more balanced.

JocMeister #9 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:01 PM

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You cant judge the 103 without the top gun. It makes a tonne of difference. 

 

I didn´t find the roof to be that much of a problem. E5 is much worse in that regard.



lord_chipmonk #10 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:20 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 01 September 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

You cant judge the 103 without the top gun. It makes a tonne of difference. 

 

I didn´t find the roof to be that much of a problem. E5 is much worse in that regard.

 

Even with the top gun, the M103 is lacklustre. As for the roof, *shudder*. 

Dundato #11 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:33 PM

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Wit kind of cheese are you comparing it too as there are some strong yins

Sargatanas2k2 #12 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:38 PM

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To be fair, 90% of people don't know where to shoot it and the armour seems to work pretty well for me for the most part. I quite enjoy the M103 :).

lord_chipmonk #13 Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:56 PM

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View PostSargatanas2k2, on 01 September 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

To be fair, 90% of people don't know where to shoot it and the armour seems to work pretty well for me for the most part. I quite enjoy the M103 :).

 

Can we swap opponents then? Everyone I meet seems to know exactly where to shoot it. 

tajj7 #14 Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:13 PM

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A crap Conqueror imo, it offers very little over a Conq, mildly better hull armour, tiny bit of mobility and then pretty much worse in every other way.

 

But the whole line is pretty damn strong and it has a decent gun so is not that hard a grind. 



Cobra6 #15 Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

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I'm having fun in mine but do I rely on the armour: No, not one bit, not even hull down.

 

Avoid getting shot in the first half of the match and use your HP to tank in the second half of the match. If you can get some bounces during the tanking stage it's a nice advantage.

 

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JocMeister #16 Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:21 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 01 September 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

Even with the top gun, the M103 is lacklustre. As for the roof, *shudder*. 

 

I found it pretty good. I actually kept it when I unlocked the E5. Just have to grind a new crew for it. 

 

With the top gun I found it pretty enjoyable! As I said I wasn´t that bothered by the turret. Just wiggle a bit and raise you gun up and most people will miss. I found the E5 turret to be much worse as the cupola really stands out.



lord_chipmonk #17 Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:23 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 01 September 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

I found it pretty good. I actually kept it when I unlocked the E5. Just have to grind a new crew for it. 

 

With the top gun I found it pretty enjoyable! As I said I wasn´t that bothered by the turret. Just wiggle a bit and raise you gun up and most people will miss. I found the E5 turret to be much worse as the cupola really stands out.

 

Not played the E5, grinding it now, but I played the Conqueror first and to me, Tajj hit the nail on the head. 

vasilinhorulezz #18 Posted 01 September 2017 - 06:04 PM

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T-10 fulfills the role of a heavium way better than M 103, armor doesn't really work and speed is bad.

In my opinion it needs serious mobility buffs in order to be actually useable, yea the gun is good, but everything else?

Turret roof gets penned by everything, sides are paper and every side shot ammoracks you, top speed is bad and overall mobility is nothing special.

If they did buff a bit the gun handling and a lot the mobility of the tank I think it would be very good.



_Anarchistic_ #19 Posted 01 September 2017 - 06:20 PM

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MMM

 

just been cupboard and found some cheese, really fxxxxxx hard.  Might rebuy M103 in that case :)



tajj7 #20 Posted 01 September 2017 - 06:30 PM

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Should remember as well the Conqueror is soon trading some DPM for bettter armour so if it keeps its gun handling the M103 will be even worse in comparison. Not really a bad tank per se but the Conq and T-10 have similar roles and offer a lot more. 





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