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Why "Grand Battles" are going to be just another failure.


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HundeWurst #1 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:42 PM

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Well ladies and gentlemen... I also wanted to make my own topic about that new mode and express my feelings about it.

 

I now played my fair share of "Grand Battles" on the live servers and came to the conclusion (and my own opinion) that this mode will fail like all the others before:

 

Wargaming, you cannot expect a "new" mode to be successfull if it does not offer anything new, on the contrary it is worse than standard battles we have since the beginnning of time now.

Yet again I would like you to answer yourself this question first: What are "Grand Battles" supposed to be? What is their purpose? What do they add to the game?

 

If you would have answered these questions yourself in an honest way you would have not ever released this mode in its current state: There is nothing new in that mode, no only the worse parts of randoms get promoted even further: Wargaming you can increase the map size even further and add even more tanks to the battle, but in the end NOTHING will change if the gameplay is also not different.

The current map is just pathetic and quit frankly even designed in the most lazy way: We have the standard 3 chokepoints and the rest is a big void. We have the same old same old corner enagement we have on every single other map. THe gameplay is exactly the same. If I want to have a corner engagements I can as well play roughly 80% of the other maps. AGAIN... I does not matter if there are 5 tanks, 10 tanks or 100 tanks if the gameplay does not change.

THe current Grand Battle map is pathetic and trash. If you want grand battles to be successfull you need a map and gameplay which is different. Why do we have such a big map when 90% of it is just empty void? How about you try to create an entirely open map without chokepoints but all kind of ridgelines, angulations and such? Well placed bushes and trees all over the place?

 

But nope. Need the terrible map design™ Wargaming has come up with since 2 years now. I am very dissapointed as I expected true Grand Battles and not the same old same old.

1/10. And the 1 only because the name first made it look interesting.



qpranger #2 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:45 PM

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But apart from those minor issues you liked it, yes?

THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #3 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:47 PM

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I feel he did yes

qpranger #4 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:48 PM

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He's just shy to admit it.

Press2ForSkill #5 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:52 PM

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Wow have u actually played it??? I played like 50~ battles at tier 10 this patch and i haven't been in the grandbattles even once.. and yes i have it turned on in settings

lord_chipmonk #6 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:52 PM

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Two things:

 

1) I don't want to count them out yet, I mean the game mode has only been live a few days, and I've personally only been in a grand battle once.

 

2) I really REALLY want to see the big 30 vs 30 attack/defense map (can't remember the name) assualting Normandy. That was huge amounts of fun. 


Edited by lord_chipmonk, 01 September 2017 - 07:53 PM.


SharpBlue #7 Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:53 PM

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View PostPress2ForSkill, on 01 September 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

Wow have u actually played it??? I played like 50~ battles at tier 10 this patch and i haven't been in the grandbattles even once.. and yes i have it turned on in settings

 

This ^^

jack_timber #8 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:11 PM

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Well it would appear it's not to everyone's liking just as well you turn it off then.

Only played it twice but I enjoyed the scenario....

Bigger is better:)



IncandescentGerbil #9 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:20 PM

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Played it twice. Turned it off. If my life wasn't so dull I would never have come back to the game at all. So there you have it. World of Tanks makes life slightly less boring. But it's still only half the game it could have been, if properly managed.

CarelessOne #10 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

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They could just release it with normal -2MM.

Grand Battles - Gold Edition



arthurwellsley #11 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

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I like it. You can vision game like the old days.

malachi6 #12 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:26 PM

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I read the rant but I saw you offer nothing constructive apart from terrain that suits your skill set and preferred tanks.  Not everybody plays the way you do.  Also weren't you one of the howling hoard a year or so ago baying for bigger maps?

 

Further.  I would be amazed if one day, you actually said something positive about this game you choose to spend your free time upon


Edited by malachi6, 01 September 2017 - 08:29 PM.


EvilThatMenDo #13 Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:51 PM

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This mode is just here to remove some stress from the mm. The true new gamemode will be the Frontilne gamemode. This thing now is just a cheap option to fix T8 mm. 

_LEO_ #14 Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:00 PM

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View PostEvilThatMenDo, on 01 September 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

This mode is just here to remove some stress from the mm. The true new gamemode will be the Frontilne gamemode. This thing now is just a cheap option to fix T8 mm. 

 

It's not doing anything for MM, t8 is still vs t10 all the time, it was never this bad, even beta had better MM.

Edited by _LEO_, 01 September 2017 - 09:03 PM.


Enforcer1975 #15 Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:04 PM

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View Postmalachi6, on 01 September 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Also weren't you one of the howling hoard a year or so ago baying for bigger maps?

I think the majority wanted bigger maps but not more tanks. Now we have the same just bigger. I looked at the layout of the new map and immediately saw the choke points. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 01 September 2017 - 09:05 PM.


brisha #16 Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:09 PM

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View Postjack_timber, on 01 September 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:


 

Bigger is better:)

 

So the wife told me.... I divorced the [edited]for having an affair

Junglist_ #17 Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:13 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 01 September 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

2) I really REALLY want to see the big 30 vs 30 attack/defense map (can't remember the name) assualting Normandy. That was huge amounts of fun. 

 

Exactly! I loved that mode! I do enjoy the GB more then regular full tier 10 games but Normandy was far superior



TheJumpMaster #18 Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:22 PM

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I would like to see larger maps with 15 v 15

 



Unknown_Lifeform #19 Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:13 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 01 September 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

2) I really REALLY want to see the big 30 vs 30 attack/defense map (can't remember the name) assualting Normandy. That was huge amounts of fun. 

 

That wasn't grand battle, that was a completely different mode with an even bigger map, repair/resupply points, multiple respawns etc. Hopefully that will come to fruition at some point. The only other grand battle map I've seen so far was grand canyon which I didn't like the look of too much.

 

I've enjoyed my games of grand battle so far. There are still brawling points of dense terrain but also opportunities to cross fire and long range snipe, not just protected corridors.

 

I was worried that more players would mean games would snowball even worse than standard randoms with most matches being completely one sided but so far that's not been the case, all the games I've had have been tense and reasonably close. Other than that my two main concerns are that the end game will become very campy with tanks not being able to move between areas of cover and that people will just get bored of only having one map and turn it off.

 

In any case, this has been the first new mode WG have introduced that I've actually wanted to play. Most of the others I never even bothered to try out.



suvicze #20 Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:55 PM

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I played it a lot on test server and I quite liked it honestly. Sure it is still the classic "modern" design with corridors but they are much more open and TDs can actually support their teammates there without putting themselves at great risk or need to wait until their teammates die so they can finally shoot and cover the flank (looking at you Redshire...). Every class is useful there which is also a big plus. The only fault with this mode for me is the fact that it is again only for T10...Pretty much any mode for T10 only is doomed to fail as most people dont play T10 either at all or for long periods of time as it is expensive to run, difficult to play effectively unless you pick a maus or type5 with derp and some, including me, find it boring. I seriously dont see a reason why this was not made for T6+...




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