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Obj 416 Shell Cost////Economy


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Do you think the game's economy is fine as it is or should WarGaming do something about it?

  1. It's fine as it is (2 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. Low tier economy needs a buff (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Mid tier economy needs a buff (2 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. High tier economy needs a buff (8 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  5. It's too good I'm making too much money (0 votes [0.00%])

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TheDarkness9915 #1 Posted 02 September 2017 - 01:53 PM

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so I'm just gonna go straight to the point here

why do the shells on the Obj 416 tier VIII soviet medium tank have to be so expensive?

for anyone who doesn't know just how expensive they are let me get you some comparisons:

the 100mm AP UBR-412D shells (on the Obj 416) cost 1230 credits

the 122mm AP UBR-471 shells (on the KV-3 and the IS) cost 1025 credits

the 130mm AP UBR-482 shells (on the IS-7) cost 1118 credits

now for most tanks the shell cost seems to scale up with the caliber of the gun firing the shells

however, that is clearly not the case with the examples presented above

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i like the Obj 416 but honestly losing credits after some above average matches even with a premium account really does put me off

if anyone from WarGaming reads this please try to fix it

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P.S.: I do realize I should have put up some other Tier VIII medium tank's shell costs too because here I only compared the cost to tier VII and X tanks, but as I currently own no other tier VIII medium tanks, it is outside of my power to do so.

P.P.S.: I just remembered I can put up a Poll so I will do that just to see if I'm the only one who even cares about this 



ApocalypseSquad #2 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:08 PM

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Don't have the 416, but are those standard or premium round costs?


 



Teravius #3 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:09 PM

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Obj 416 has powerful gun and i think its just cost of having something working very well. Remember t54 has even more expensive ammo but gun itself compensates it.

about overall credit mechanic i think high tier earnings should be reworked in some way. Crazy thing is that i need to run premium account to be even worth playing at top tiers at all. Standard account is just nit enough to make minimum income to compensate playing even tier 8. 

 

Fun fact: if you loose game in strv s1 doing 0 dmg and using repairs you are making -8k credits from that battle! (Strv s1 + premium account!) 

Forcing people to grind credits every Few battles to be able to even play tier x game is horrendous. Now when i bought new tds from new line i need to go farm credits before i ll be able to play tier x games again. 

 

I have no any certain ideas how to improve the system but now its irritating to actually force people to grind with premiums to be able to play without using gold.



FluffyRedFox #4 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:12 PM

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and then theres  the 20 pounder which costs 680 credits for 230 alpha  despite  having a smaller round than 90mms which tend to cost around 200 credits

lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:13 PM

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View PostApocalypseSquad, on 02 September 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

Don't have the 416, but are those standard or premium round costs?


 

 

Standard. It is essentially the same gun you get on the tier 9 soviet meds, and they all pay through the nose for 320 alpha. Very expensive machines to run, even if you don't touch the (very good) premium rounds. 

Crow_Eschatologist #6 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:23 PM

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Price is fine given the firepower it has for a tier 8 medium (as in: it actually has some . . .)

unrealname #7 Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:30 PM

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well obj 416 is one of the most expensive things to play, i had it on a reroll acc, which is long abandoned, as far as i can remember it was an epic tank to play, due to that gun, especially with that cHeat shells + one of the top camo values with camo crew, when u play it like a TD(because lets be honest its not a medium tank) u could carry even tier 10 battles, not so sure about current meta with all those new tanks with ridiculous armor values.But i also lost like 50-60k credits per game while playing it - HEAT shells + premium consumables. with 116 battles played on it - 2360 dpg with 63 % wr. this is pretty much pay to win tank. But anyway running costs of it are insane.

DeltaOperator #8 Posted 02 September 2017 - 05:03 PM

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This isn't a special Object 416 problem:

 

German 105mm: 1030 Credits for 320 damage (Löwe and Tiger II e.g.)

Frech 100mm: 1000 Credits for 300 damage (AMX 50 100, Lorraine 40 t, AMX M4 mle. 49)

 

 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 02 September 2017 - 05:39 PM

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View PostTheDarkness9915, on 02 September 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

the 100mm AP UBR-412D shells (on the Obj 416) cost 1230 credits

the 122mm AP UBR-471 shells (on the KV-3 and the IS) cost 1025 credits

the 130mm AP UBR-482 shells (on the IS-7) cost 1118 credits

 

122mm costs 1025 credits, even on a tier 6. And the IS-7 has 5x more in repairs vs the 416. So not really comparable either. Tbh the 416 is rather powerful. And farming damage with it is rather easy with a high credit return. So I don't see it as an issue if I'm honest.

lord_chipmonk #10 Posted 02 September 2017 - 05:46 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 02 September 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

 

122mm costs 1025 credits, even on a tier 6. And the IS-7 has 5x more in repairs vs the 416. So not really comparable either. Tbh the 416 is rather powerful. And farming damage with it is rather easy with a high credit return. So I don't see it as an issue if I'm honest.

 

High credit return, but with high ammmo costs and many missed shots, you will still struggle for credits. 




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