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Poll: Should WG remove the AMX 50 Foch B (147 members have cast votes)

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Should WG remove the AMX 50 Foch B

  1. Yes - it's to OP and ruining game balance. (46 votes [31.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.29%

  2. No - I like it the way it is. ( I used a load of free xp and I desearve to keep it) (58 votes [39.46%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.46%

  3. No - but they should nerf it like they did with the WT E100 (33 votes [22.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.45%

  4. I have no tier 10's donest bother me. (10 votes [6.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.80%

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Timewarp76 #1 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:12 AM

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The Waffentrager auf E100 was removed in patch 9.15 due to WG's excuse it was an unbalanced tank. Isn't it very curious though that now WG would introduce yet another tank the AMX 50 Foch B with similar and arguably better characteristics not so long after retiring the oh so over powered WT E100? The Foch B is better in just about every way compared to the WT e100 minus the turret. Better armor, better camo, better depression, better penetration, better reload time, more rounds and smaller frame.

 

I mean come on, it is pretty obvious by now that publishing an over powered tank is part of the WG business plan. Too many times now they have published an OP tank to only nerf it two patches later. However this is the first time I can remember that they published a tank that (THEY KNOW IS OP) based on similar characteristics and the WT E100 history. Granted the nerf won't happen until a good number of the player base buy gold and exchange free xp to get this overpowered tank and once enough of us have spent money and burned free xp to get the nice new nifty OP tank they will introduce a patch to either nerf it or remove it entirely. WATCH FOR UPDATES - CALLING IT NOW!
 


Edited by timewarp76, 03 September 2017 - 12:17 AM.


lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:13 AM

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On the one hand we have a thread claiming the Foch 50b is OP. On the other hand we have people saying they preferred the Foch 155 in another thread. Fantastic. 

xtram3x #3 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:14 AM

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Not had a problem fighting against it tbh.

Played it once and it was good but not over the top.



soul3ater #4 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:16 AM

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you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

foch b being better than WT? lol just stop it.



Timewarp76 #5 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:20 AM

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View Postsoul3ater, on 03 September 2017 - 12:16 AM, said:

you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

foch b being better than WT? lol just stop it.

 

Pretty sure I said "arguably better characteristics" just look at the data from tanks.gg, hard numbers don't lie.



brumbarr #6 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:48 AM

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View Posttimewarp76, on 03 September 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

 

Pretty sure I said "arguably better characteristics" just look at the data from tanks.gg, hard numbers don't lie.

Except that they do lie, those are the stats of the current WT, not the one that was removed fr the game.



HunterXHunter8 #7 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:03 AM

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thats the newly introduced waffle on the chinese server

so this comparison is completely moot 

 

since the old waffle that we had had 560 alpha not 490



lord_chipmonk #8 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:05 AM

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View PostHunterXHunter8, on 03 September 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

thats the newly introduced waffle on the chinese server

so this comparison is completely moot 

 

since the old waffle that we had had 560 alpha not 490

 

And 270 pen, etc. 

Exozen #9 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:12 AM

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Its 560 alpha and 270 ? pen on the WTF , the stats on the picture shows the stats from the short 128mm.

 

The Foch B doesnt even come close to the WTF performance, they are in completly diffrent tiers of broken .

 

Also wana point out in case someone is thinking " OMFG FOCH HAS EVEN BETTER DPM OMG OMG ", DPM on autoloaders is missleading since on only get a reload a min anyways , the clip potential is all that mathers , and its 2400 in 10 sec vs 2800 in 8 sec. WTF also had a turret , better penetration on both rounds , better accuracy , better aimtime , and above all , IT HAD A FREAKING TURRET. / Close thread.


Edited by Exozen, 03 September 2017 - 01:16 AM.


Darius_B1bis #10 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:13 AM

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Ridiculous thread. I'm sorry, but Foch 50 B is a good tank and not more. I'm enjoying it, but without adequate support it isn't able to change every battle (if the player is an unicum, all changes, but that's true for all tanks!).

Edited by Darius_B1bis, 03 September 2017 - 01:14 AM.


Ulicum #11 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:25 AM

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Oh, yet again somebody who does not have some tank is crying it is OP.... How... unoriginal.

 

 



DaSmith #12 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:03 AM

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*Edited

Edited by Nohe21, 03 September 2017 - 07:32 AM.
*This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks and non constructive.


IncandescentGerbil #13 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:09 AM

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It's actually a tricky tank to play well. If you aren't bang on (or lucky) with your positioning, you will just sit there wishing you were in something with a turret, and to hell with the DPM. Had a moment where e100 crossed my path side on. Did 2000 damage. But that has happened only once. Rest of the time 50b has just been reasonably effective, and totally dull to playm

Coldspell #14 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:40 AM

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View Posttimewarp76, on 02 September 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

 

Pretty sure I said "arguably better characteristics" just look at the data from tanks.gg, hard numbers don't lie.

 

The waffle Easy100 was never OP just extremely broken it was difficult to carry in on the one hand because of the [edited]glacial clip reload time, on the other any idiot could kill 1-2 tanks in it in 1 clip (before they removed the derp gun), by the time it was removed it had been nerfed to an extent it was significantly less broken (and those are the stats you are displaying.

 

Also the turret and gun soft stats make a much bigger difference then you think, the dispersion and the dispersion between shots in particular which is crucial if you want to actually hit crapwith your autloader are significantly tilted in favour of the Wt auf E100 like [edited]massively incidentally so is the aim time almost a full second difference (so the wt auf E100 is fully aimed by the time the next shell is loaded where as the Foch B isn't).

 

If your going to base your comparison off characteristics then look at the characteristics that matter for autoloaders and the most crucial are going to be intra clip reload (they match), Alpha (Wt Auf E100 wins), Dispersion values and Aim time (wt auf E100 wins), Damage per clip (its close but most of the time Wt auf e100 wins), Shells per clip (this is where it gets a bit messy but in this case the 1 less shell the wt auf e100 has is 2 seconds less it has to expose itself to do more damage), having a [edited]turret so you don't screw your accuracy by turning your tank all the time and screw your camo and knock off your binocs.... oh Wt auf E100 wins again.

 

The heavily nerfed wt auf e100 had autloader stats that make the foch B look like trash and having played both I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt the Wt auf E100 was more broken, however the foch B has better carry potential but certainly isn't broken or OP because its a bloody TD without a turret....... current meta = excruciatingly painful for tds without turrets unless they have decent gun arcs and stronku armour, Foch B has iffy armour and a terrible gun arc.


Edited by Coldspell, 03 September 2017 - 02:42 AM.


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Anyone who claims that Foch 50B is OP clearly didn't have the pleasure of driving it on the live server.

Wrinkly #16 Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:56 AM

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If anything it needs a buff. The weak spots on top are far too large for an assault tank while it's pen lacks for distance sniping.

Ojciec_Director #17 Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:04 AM

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this crap is game breaking vs T8, in TX games  its fine until full gold load

ZeFeKa #18 Posted 03 September 2017 - 06:53 AM

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In before they remove 1 shell on the clip or increase the intra to 2.2s (or both, because wargaming like messing tanks)

HunterXHunter8 #19 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:04 AM

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foch b is a situationally OP, otherwise it sucks

 

when the stars align, rng favors you. then you will do good in it. but that doesnt happen a lot.

 

even tomatoes aren't dumb enough to drive infront of you. 


Edited by HunterXHunter8, 03 September 2017 - 07:04 AM.


Toni112007 #20 Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:05 AM

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I remember that people were defending even WTF E-100 in polls back in the day. Nothing new here. Foch B is broken tank and it needs to be fixed.

Edited by Toni112007, 03 September 2017 - 08:07 AM.





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