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What is your idea about my proposal?

  1. I like your first proposal (pen and dispersion buff) (18 votes [38.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.30%

  2. I like your second proposal (high pen buff) (8 votes [17.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.02%

  3. Don't like it (6 votes [12.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  4. Don't care (15 votes [31.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.91%

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Dava_117 #1 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:17 AM

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Hi all guys. I hear that WG is thinking about a buff for soviet super-heavy line. 

I'm excited about this, because I think that this line get hit very hard by power creep, especially KV-4.

This tank, once the tire 8 dreadnought, now is left behind by tanks like VK 100.01. 

A simple idea could be to buff armour, but I don't like that too much. WG already push superheavy meta too much so I have a proposal, that would make KV-4 special again.

KV-4 has a very long barrel that gave me the idea to change this beast in an anti-superHT tank. Increasing standard ammo pen to 240-250mm and reducing dipersion by 0.03-0.02 KV-4 would be able to reliably pen superheavy's weackspot and frontal plates while the low alpha wouldn't make it OP aginst the other classes.

On the same line, a different option would be to change 289mm apcr to standard ammo and add a different gold, without reducing dispersion, but it's very extreme and I can't say if it's balanced or not...

What do you think about my proposals. Would those be good ideas or not. And if not, why?

Thank you all for you time! 



lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:20 AM

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I actually quite like the idea of making the 107mm a bit more special. 

Quintuss #3 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:41 AM

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KV4 simply needs decent gunhandling and DPM - with a turret that looks like it was stolen from a cruiser you'd expect a better performance.

 



GalmTwo #4 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:24 PM

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Let's hope that happens when they replace the already underwhelming IS-4

Dava_117 #5 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:47 PM

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View PostQuintuss, on 03 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

KV4 simply needs decent gunhandling and DPM - with a turret that looks like it was stolen from a cruiser you'd expect a better performance.

 

I agree with gun handling, but tbh i never felt DPM was a problem in this tank...

View PostGalmTwo, on 03 September 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

Let's hope that happens when they replace the already underwhelming IS-4

Well, WG said was rebalancing all the line, so it will be togheter. But then I can't say if they will replace IS-4 or buff it. Personally I would prefere the buff scenario, because I like how IS-4 looks like. :)



Cobra6 #6 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:06 PM

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Actually, I'd vote for an armour buff since I use this tank for the HT-12 missions (bounce your own HP in damage X amount of times). Slightly buff the cupola so it's as strong as the rest of the turret front.

And maybe a slight DPM buff as well.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 03 September 2017 - 02:06 PM.


Uebergewicht #7 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 03 September 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Slightly buff the cupola so it's as strong as the rest of the turret front.

 

 

It already is. The problem is that it´s flat and not covered by a gun mantlet... as is a large part of the turret front.



Dava_117 #8 Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:46 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 03 September 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Actually, I'd vote for an armour buff since I use this tank for the HT-12 missions (bounce your own HP in damage X amount of times). Slightly buff the cupola so it's as strong as the rest of the turret front.

And maybe a slight DPM buff as well.

 

Cobra 6

 

IMMO, after HD model, armour will get a buff. Simly removing some useless weackspot (as the 120mm plate not fully covered by mantlet or the 130mm plate on the lower part of sides) this tank will start to bounce even more. :)

leggasiini #9 Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:02 PM

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Buff turret front to 200 and front part of turret sides to 180, so it can angle it bit like Maus. Probably keep the cupola the way it is.

 

Buff aim time, bloom and DPM a bit.



UrQuan #10 Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:07 PM

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Have to say, I like your proposal. Instead of going the classic 'Buff armor!' You offer to give it a role it can excel in, as the tank already works good in HT environments. In a way, it would bring something back that it used to be good at. It used to have very good pen for it's class, among the top (very close to Lowe, who was at the time the best in pen for HT's), making it a terror for most armored tanks to fight. In exchange it had cumbersome rotation (it turns like a battleship) & non-impressive damage (320 is okay, just not something to scare away tanks)

Over the time, especially the last year or two, the big boost of armor on it's tiers removed this aspect of the KV-4, while retaining it's other drawbacks. The gunhandling boost few years back helped alot in bringing it on par, but it quickly fell down again with many new strong T8 tanks released after.

 

So yeps, I support your second proposal. Would modify the new standard pen to 260 mm tho, as that's enough for about all unarmored angles for the tier; as 289mm is a bit excessive for standard ammo.

Why not the dispersion buff? KV-4 is already pretty good at leading tanks from a distance, boosting it's dispersion further could make it a bit strong in that regard imo. I would rather advice for an aimtime buff, as currently, the KV-4 accuracy only comes into play after fully aimed (snapshot & the shell goes all over the place), reducing aimtime without boosting dispersion will help the KV-4 in fighting armored tanks without making it too strong against tanks in a distance (a role more suited for high accurate tanks like the german heavies imo).

 

What I do suspect will happen nontheless when KV-4 becomes HD is the removal of the classic KV weakspots on hull (visor/machinegun port) simply because it got removed on all other KV hulls (KV-4 is the last remaning KV tank that still has these once universal weakspots). never been a fan of the weakspot removal route on tanks in general, but WG has come this far, can as well be consequent & complete it.

But your proposal would allow the KV-4 to retain a good role without giving it's armor a general buff & contribute to the big issue of 'more super-armoured tanks we can't pen!'



Dava_117 #11 Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:20 PM

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That it's exactly what I meant but expressed in a far better way. And made by another KV4tress fan (if I can steal your signature)! :)

Edited by Dava_117, 03 September 2017 - 06:07 PM.


KillingJoker #12 Posted 03 September 2017 - 06:18 PM

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I think the KV-4 is still special...

 

is not definitly a noob press W key tank, it requires some brain to the player, and you need to think in advance how to react to more mobile tanks

 

your positioning is key... but the KV-4 armor can take a beating even from tier 9's, its a sidescrape beast...

 

in 1 vs 1 engagements a KV-4 can melt any tier 8, the gun is very reliable at that tier, and your armor when properly angled will make even guns with 250mm to struggle

the side is very strong at 45 degrees, and that increases the frontal armor as well... 

 

i think the KV-4 is an excelent tank to play before the ST-I,

 

In my opinion it doesnt need any buffs, i made around 500 games in my KV-4 and got 2 marks on it. 



cmgamesro #13 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:44 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 03 September 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

 What do you think about my proposals. Would those be good ideas or not. And if not, why?

Thank you all for you time! 

i imagine kv4's standing behind a bush sniping, frustrated a bit that they don't have the swedish concealnment.


Edited by cmgamesro, 03 September 2017 - 07:45 PM.


Dava_117 #14 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:49 PM

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View Postcmgamesro, on 03 September 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

i imagine kv4's standing behind a bush sniping, frustrated a bit that they don't have the swedish concealnment.

 

considerig it's a 107mm with 320alpha, using it as a sniper would be funny.:teethhappy:

But ther's already people doing it. Even on the wiky middle range sniper is listed as a possible role.

Never the less, crappy cammo would prevent this very easily. :)


Edited by Dava_117, 03 September 2017 - 07:50 PM.


Lord_Edge #15 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:52 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 03 September 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Hi all guys. I hear that WG is thinking about a buff for soviet super-heavy line. 

I'm excited about this, because -

Have you seen how WG "balance" superheavies?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if their "fix" was to give the KV 3/4 a faster firing KV-2 derp gun lol.



Dava_117 #16 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:55 PM

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View PostUbersonic, on 03 September 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

Have you seen how WG "balance" superheavies?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if their "fix" was to give the KV 3/4 a faster firing KV-2 derp gun lol.

 

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View Postcmgamesro, on 03 September 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

i imagine kv4's standing behind a bush sniping, frustrated a bit that they don't have the swedish concealnment.

 

I powerground (?) the KV-4 earlier this week, and sniping from behind a building "in sidescrape", baiting shots from slow-reloading tanks with the turret angled 'inwards' (yes, you read that right) works remarkably well. Full APCR, of course - the one thing that the tank actually excels at.

 

I'd take a buff to the turret face as well as gun handling/penetration. Cupola should remain unchanged. Won't be a Maus in open terrain or in close combat, but more of a long-range fighter. DPM is probably fine, knowing how the Löwe works that's not a critical parameter.



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I always kinda liked the kv-4: the way it plays, the way it looks and the zis-24 gun that is really unique in this tank line. I really like the idea of making this gun more accurate and having better penetration, it clearly matches well with the length of this gun.

Biggest problems I usually have with this tank is the weak frontal armor and the trash traverse speeds. Buffing these characteristics seem to be the obvious choices but it will make the tank more generic. I rather keep these negative aspects and have the improved gun for a more unique tank/ play style.

 



ZlatanArKung #19 Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:33 PM

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KV-4 is a balanced and good tank that all other tanks at T8 should be ba lanced around.

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View PostDava_117, on 03 September 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

Hi all guys. I hear that WG is thinking about a buff for soviet super-heavy line. 

I'm excited about this, because I think that this line get hit very hard by power creep, especially KV-4.

This tank, once the tire 8 dreadnought, now is left behind by tanks like VK 100.01. 

A simple idea could be to buff armour, but I don't like that too much. WG already push superheavy meta too much so I have a proposal, that would make KV-4 special again.

KV-4 has a very long barrel that gave me the idea to change this beast in an anti-superHT tank. Increasing standard ammo pen to 240-250mm and reducing dipersion by 0.03-0.02 KV-4 would be able to reliably pen superheavy's weackspot and frontal plates while the low alpha wouldn't make it OP aginst the other classes.

On the same line, a different option would be to change 289mm apcr to standard ammo and add a different gold, without reducing dispersion, but it's very extreme and I can't say if it's balanced or not...

What do you think about my proposals. Would those be good ideas or not. And if not, why?

Thank you all for you time! 

 

what proposal ?????




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