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jeltex #1 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:19 PM

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Could you please tell me if there will be any changes in the foreseeable future concerning Tier eight matchmaking problems. I ask this as my Tier eight Premium tanks are no longer fit for purpose and were sold to me on the basis that I would make lots of credits with them that is now no longer the case. I think it would be reasonable to expect a reply.
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AvengerOrion #2 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:24 PM

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I hate to break it to you but WoT devs do not read the EU forums.

lord_chipmonk #3 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:26 PM

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The only people who might reply are the likes of MrConway, and he isn't a dev. 

jack_timber #4 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:26 PM

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Don't know, suppose Trades Description Act 1968 may apply. Did WG expressly tell you that these tanks would earn you bucketfulls of credits?

Don't have any myself, Scottish you know, having deep pockets and short arms:)



Homer_J #5 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:29 PM

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More tier IX/X tanks means more hitpoints to farm means more credits.

 

Or am I missing something?



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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

More tier IX/X tanks means more hitpoints to farm means more credits.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

He has a Hype 59 and can no longer roflstomp the cattle anymore.

lord_chipmonk #7 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:31 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

More tier IX/X tanks means more hitpoints to farm means more credits.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

I think he's just complaining about tier 8 MM. 

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View Postjeltex, on 03 September 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

Could you please tell me if there will be any changes in the foreseeable future concerning Tier eight matchmaking problems. I ask this as my Tier eight Premium tanks are no longer fit for purpose and were sold to me on the basis that I would make lots of credits with them that is now no longer the case. I think it would be reasonable to expect a reply.
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Nice try but they were sold on the basis that you could earn more credits than in a regular tank, which is still the case. That's not to say that tier 8 match-making isn't broken but I think you're on to a non-starter by approaching it in this way.

 

I suspect the devs will do nothing until Grand Battles flop. They're banking on tier 10 players taking themselves out of the match-making, thus giving tier 8 players a better spread of battles but IMO they've not taken into account the number of people who want to play tier 10 tanks to rofl-stomp lower tiers and have no interest playing against same-tier opposition.



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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

More tier IX/X tanks means more hitpoints to farm means more credits.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

Yep, let me explain it to u:

Very low penetration values of around 90% tier 8 premium tanks (to face overbuffed tier 9 and 10 armor).

Tier 6 dpm against tier 10 enemies.

Tier 6 alpha against tier 10 enemies.

No armor, no hp to face 750-1K alpha dmg guns, 2,4K dmg clips.

Tier 5-6 mobility.

 

Useless premium ammo against overbuffed armor.

 


Edited by Akathis, 03 September 2017 - 12:40 PM.


_LEO_ #10 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

More tier IX/X tanks means more hitpoints to farm means more credits.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

 

Unless you have new prem abominations like defender, skorpion.. matches vs t9/10 = you have to shoot more prem ammo = you make less credits.



Homer_J #11 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:44 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 03 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

I think he's just complaining about tier 8 MM. 

 

But what aspect is he complaining about?

 

I think the problem lies between keyboard and chair.


Edited by Homer_J, 03 September 2017 - 12:44 PM.


lord_chipmonk #12 Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:47 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

But what aspect is he complaining about?

 

I think the problem lies between keyboard and chair.

 

Not entirely sure. Reduced credits from prems, presumably as he sees a lot of bottom tier matches as far as I can make out. 

_LEO_ #13 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:17 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

 

I think the problem lies between keyboard and chair.

 

Yes, whoever wrote new MM algo, wrote it really bad.

 

"After you’ve fought at the bottom for a few battles in a row, the matchmaker will try to find a team where you get in the middle/top of the list, regardless of whether you play in the same vehicle or choose a new one during this session."

should be:

"After you’ve fought at the bottom for a very long time, the matchmaker will maybe put you in same tier battle once in a blue moon, regardless of whether you play in the same vehicle or choose a new one during this session."


Edited by _LEO_, 03 September 2017 - 01:17 PM.


GalmTwo #14 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:19 PM

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WG only fixes problems when RU players complain. 

Chopchopchop #15 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:27 PM

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LOL....I know this one, if your tank is a pref 8.... here... at 18:08.

 

So I am waiting now:bush:

 



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View PostHomer_J, on 03 September 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

But what aspect is he complaining about?

 

I think the problem lies between keyboard and chair.

 

His complaint is based on the fallacy that he bought premium tanks on the basis that he'd earn loads of credits, the implication appearing to be that he'll pursue a refund of his premium tank purchases because he's not seeing those credits. I disagree that it's a PEBKAC issue, more that the OP was hoping for forum support of a different* approach to resolving the current tier 8 MM issues.

 

I suspect that we won't see OP again because that support hasn't materialised. Plus ça change and all that.

 

 

 

* Different in this case being exactly the same as previous complainants thinking they've found a new angle only to disappear when it's shown that they're not as clever or original as they thought.

 

 

View Post_LEO_, on 03 September 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

Yes, whoever wrote new MM algo, wrote it really bad.

 

"After you’ve fought at the bottom for a few battles in a row, the matchmaker will try to find a team where you get in the middle/top of the list, regardless of whether you play in the same vehicle or choose a new one during this session."

should be:

"After you’ve fought at the bottom for a very long time, the matchmaker will maybe put you in same tier battle once in a blue moon, regardless of whether you play in the same vehicle or choose a new one during this session."

 

  • try (verb) make an attempt or effort to do something

 

The match-making algorithm is doing exactly what's described. Not its fault that the queue is full of tier 10 players wanting an easy battle thanks to the 3/5/7 structure. It's the same as tier 5 players seeing a disproportionate amount of tier 7 battles thanks to that being the first +2 tier now.

 

It's frustrating when the match-maker gives you a -1 battle after a run of -2, then reverts to -2 again but by the terms used to describe the functionality, it's working as intended.

 

Please note, I'm not saying that it's right or attempting to defend the match-maker, merely pointing out that it is what it is.



_LEO_ #17 Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:55 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 03 September 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

  • try (verb) make an attempt or effort to do something

 

It's not trying hard enough, old MM was so much better:

 



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View Post_LEO_, on 03 September 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

It's not trying hard enough, old MM was so much better:

 

 

Yes, I just loved those battles where one team had 2 more top tier tanks, or where you were one of 2 bottom tier tanks in the entire match. The glorious days.

 

At least with the new MM there's 7 other tanks you can handle, it's not great, but I'm very glad being bottom tier isn't the semi-guarantee of having a mediocre game anymore.



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View Post_LEO_, on 03 September 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:

It's not trying hard enough, old MM was so much better ...

 

You're missing the point. As long as they keep saying it's "trying", they can claim it's working as intended.

 

 

View PostMimos_A, on 03 September 2017 - 01:00 PM, said:

Yes, I just loved those battles where one team had 2 more top tier tanks, or where you were one of 2 bottom tier tanks in the entire match. The glorious days.

 

At least with the new MM there's 7 other tanks you can handle, it's not great, but I'm very glad being bottom tier isn't the semi-guarantee of having a mediocre game anymore.

 

At least in those days you knew that you weren't going to make a massive impact on the battle and could look to get what you could. These days you get a blip of hope that you're going to have a decent battle only to discover your top tiers aren't interested in fighting their top tiers so unless you join the lemming train, you're stuck holding whatever ground you can until the other team pushes.

 

Still, I guess it works out ok if you prefer an illusion of balance. Personally I'd be happy waiting more than 10s to join a battle knowing that if I'm bottom tier, I'll be top tier again soon rather than possibly getting a mid-tier battle at some point because the system is 'trying' to compensate for a run of bottom tier games.



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Thanks for the replies although you are not developers I found some of the information helpful and others are just being who they are. Having read these forums for a long time I doubt even Nelson Mandela or Gandhi could muster support from this community and it was certainly not my intention to try.
 So let me explain in plain terms.
 
Purpose of buying premium tanks = make lots of credits to pay for other tanks.
Last week= making lots of credits with my premium tanks this week= not making lots of credits with my premium tanks.


 I did not know the devs don't read the forums so I have opened a ticket.
 






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