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greasle #1 Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:08 PM

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I wonders what is going on.

The attached file are stats. (disappeared while posting)

 

This guy plays only solo.

This guy plays to win (prefers win above WN8)

This guy plays the same garage all tanks every day as usual. ( no new tanks the last 5000 games) Only the crew gets better.

 

 

When he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 and winrate get better.

Suddenly, while he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 get better but the winrate drops. And this continues the last 150 games.

 

What is a logical explanation for this ?    

 

He thinks, he has been reported. Not sure if that is the cause. 

 

Cheers

 

 


Edited by greasle, 05 September 2017 - 05:33 AM.


Captain_Kremen0 #2 Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:35 PM

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More Roger Irrelevant than Mr Logic

Pandabird #3 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:24 PM

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the solution is to hide behind marks of performance i guess.

 

"you get a star, and you!. Everyone gets a star!"

 

I chose the ace star, some choose the MOE grinder path. It's all the same in the end. Shiny bits of pixels. Proud of what i achieved i am, none you shall take away from me.


Edited by Pandabird, 03 September 2017 - 11:26 PM.


SovietBias #4 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:27 PM

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Cheers!

clixor #5 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:45 PM

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View Postgreasle, on 03 September 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

What is a logical explanation for this ?    

 

 

150 battles is nothing really, and at least small amount enough that RNG of (bad) teams can be of enough influence on wr. And actually, when you get into bad teams you get more opportunity to do dmg, so getting higher win8/xp and lower wr, in the short run, can make sense as well.

 

And that's all besides the fact that the personal performance isn't 100% stable as well. You could be tired, tilted etc. 

 

Lastly, over the coarse of 5k battles in the same tank(s) the meta is changing as well. So the fact that the same tanks are played is really irrelevant aside from getting a very very marginal boost from uber crew skills.



qpranger #6 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:45 PM

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MM is rigged.

laulaur #7 Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:51 PM

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Edited.

Edited by Asklepi0s, 04 September 2017 - 09:49 AM.
This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate content


Aikl #8 Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:03 AM

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If all other factors are equal, it's either down to small sample size or that he forgot how to deal damage at the right time. RNG is unlikely, at least for 150 games. 

 

Unless the intent is to name and shame the player in question, I bet you can get away with posting his player name so we can take a look as well. You can often get a hint through 'average vehicles spotted' if a player is too passive. Depends on class and whatnot, of course.



greasle #9 Posted 04 September 2017 - 03:37 PM

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ok the stats:



Mimos_A #10 Posted 04 September 2017 - 03:53 PM

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View Postgreasle, on 03 September 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I wonders what is going on.

The attached file are stats. (disappeared while posting)

 

This guy plays only solo.

This guy plays to win (prefers win above WN8)

This guy plays the same garage all tanks every day as usual. ( no new tanks the last 5000 games) Only the crew gets better.

 

 

When he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 and winrate get better.

Suddenly, while he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 get better but the winrate drops. And this continues the last 150 games.

 

What is a logical explanation for this ?    

 

He thinks, he has been reported. Not sure if that is the cause. 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

Apparently the guy can't combine doing a lot of damage with winning, maybe he's being too aggressive in going forward, maybe he started farming more from the back and neglects his role in winning the battle more.


Being number one on xp on a losing team is pretty easy, your xp, wn8 and average damage will go up if you just start farming when a battle looks lost, but your winrate will go down slightly as you won't take the risky choice that might win you the game.


Edited by Mimos_A, 04 September 2017 - 03:53 PM.


Ferditude #11 Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 03 September 2017 - 11:45 PM, said:

MM is rigged.

 

heard it said 1st 10x games determines nerf.

Not sure if theyre on about 10x games in a tank type or each day



anonym_MSqPBzxRtsaO #12 Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:28 PM

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I'm not seeing any stats or links so no idea who you're talking about, but you seriously went and pulled the stats of another player to show them around in the forums?

Isiween_ #13 Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:11 PM

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I bought two premium tonks, but my WN8 is still low. Stupid WG, Stupid MM, noobs

HassenderZerhacker #14 Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:05 AM

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View Postgreasle, on 03 September 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I wonders what is going on.

The attached file are stats. (disappeared while posting)

 

This guy plays only solo.

This guy plays to win (prefers win above WN8)

This guy plays the same garage all tanks every day as usual. ( no new tanks the last 5000 games) Only the crew gets better.

 

 

When he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 and winrate get better.

Suddenly, while he improves his play, average EXP , average DMG, WN8 get better but the winrate drops. And this continues the last 150 games.

 

What is a logical explanation for this ?    

 

He thinks, he has been reported. Not sure if that is the cause. 

 

Cheers

 

http://www.noobmeter...cker/530821548/

 

look at my winrate graph.

something has happened in update 9.18 which pulled down my winrate.

I got no explanation for this



SuedKAT #15 Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:27 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 September 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

 

http://www.noobmeter...cker/530821548/

 

look at my winrate graph.

something has happened in update 9.18 which pulled down my winrate.

I got no explanation for this

 

Noobmeter ain't exactly greatly updated when it comes to expected values and new tanks etc, so without looking further into it I'm guessing you played something which either wasn't listed on the site and now got corrected or something that had it's internal name changed (you know the tank names you see when you look at a replay file) and haven't been corrected yet thus screwing with the stats somehow.

 

Kinda like how my WN8 had a tiny dip when they remade the KV-1S a couple of years ago:

 



HassenderZerhacker #16 Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:19 AM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 05 September 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:

 

Noobmeter ain't exactly greatly updated when it comes to expected values and new tanks etc, so without looking further into it I'm guessing you played something which either wasn't listed on the site and now got corrected or something that had it's internal name changed (you know the tank names you see when you look at a replay file) and haven't been corrected yet thus screwing with the stats somehow.

 

Kinda like how my WN8 had a tiny dip when they remade the KV-1S a couple of years ago:

 

 

nope, I usually play a lot of different tanks and my progress was smooth, a direct continuation of my performance, except the winrate dropped dramatically.



SuedKAT #17 Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:43 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 September 2017 - 02:19 AM, said:

 

nope, I usually play a lot of different tanks and my progress was smooth, a direct continuation of my performance, except the winrate dropped dramatically.

 

Just had a closer look, the drop is from about 50,43% to 50,14% and by looking at it a bit more in detail:

http://wotlabs.net/e...senderzerhacker

You have now climbed up to 50,22%

 

Just looking at the graph might make it look like you had a significant drop in win rate, but the difference is in reality quite tiny. 9.18 was the arty remake patch, perhaps it took a while for you to fully adjust to that, perhaps it took a while to adjust to a reworked tank you owned or faced, you also seems to have gone up a tiny bit in average tier which might have affected it a bit as well. However I wouldn't read to much into a 0.3% drop ;)



Homer_J #18 Posted 05 September 2017 - 07:19 AM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 05 September 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

 

Just had a closer look, the drop is from about 50,43% to 50,14% and by looking at it a bit more in detail:

 

 

That's just typical of the stats obsessed player.

 

Win rate goes from a little bit over 50% to a little bit over 50% and it's a big deal.

 

If noobmeter used a full scale (from 0 to 100) for the X axis you wouldn't even notice the drop.



Kozzy #19 Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:53 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 September 2017 - 12:05 AM, said:

 

http://www.noobmeter...cker/530821548/

 

look at my winrate graph.

something has happened in update 9.18 which pulled down my winrate.

I got no explanation for this

 

Your dip in performance seems to correlate with you playing more higher tier games recently.  Try 1,000 more games at tier 5/6 and see what happens.

Ferditude #20 Posted 05 September 2017 - 10:16 AM

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