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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:51 AM

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112 has worst penetration u just need to spam huge amount of gold i think it need penetration buff!

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Rati_Festa #3 Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

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You are correct.

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112 has a weak gun, yet you're doing more damage with it than the Patriot. Makes sense. It's also overperforming win rate-wise in your hands. Why do you expect a buff for a tank that performs above average, despite the lack of AP penetration?

 

On a more serious note, the problem is mostly in matchmaking, not tank performance. 175mm AP-pen is a bit powercrept, sure, but it's arguably manageable unless you're in ~60% T9 matches and not seeing anything below T8 (small sample size, but seeing T6/7 in T8s is 'once in a blue moon' type of stuff.



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As soon as it lose pref mm and take back the old LFP that tier 6 and 7 can pen, sure! 

KillingJoker #6 Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:07 PM

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The tank is fine, i have 2 marks in mine...

 

you get preferencial mm, there is no need to increase the penetration... that infamous russian 122mm gun is well know for its side effects

plus, you get heat 250mm of penetration that is more than capable of dealing with any tier IX, and its the worse you can possibly see...

 

the 112 is a beast, much better than the IS-6 in my opinion... you can actually sidescrape like a boss due to the 100mm of side armor... and your frontal hull is amazing

angled, even a IS-3 will struggle to pen your lower plate, he will need gold to pen the lower plate when well angled. 

 

the only problems of the 112, is the horrible gun handling and low DPM...

 

but if the 112 had a good gun would be just as good as 113, one of the best tier X's in my opinion

 

so... seriously, try to squeze the 122mm gun because the gun works... its pen is more than capable of doing damage at tier 8...

 

the 112 is an absolute monster when top tier, tier 7 and 6 tanks, have absolutly no chances vs 112.



Rati_Festa #7 Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:31 PM

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but if the 112 had a good gun would be just as good as 113, one of the best tier X's in my opinion

 

 

The 113 is one of the best t10 tanks???????

 

I don't think I've seen one yet in grand battles, played about 20 matches so that's 1200 players and I don't recall seeing one.

 

The 112 is fine unless it has to engage the new prems, then its meh... I agree IS6 is worse.



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View PostKillingJoker, on 06 September 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

The tank is fine, i have 2 marks in mine...

 

you get preferencial mm, there is no need to increase the penetration... that infamous russian 122mm gun is well know for its side effects

plus, you get heat 250mm of penetration that is more than capable of dealing with any tier IX, and its the worse you can possibly see...

 

the 112 is a beast, much better than the IS-6 in my opinion... you can actually sidescrape like a boss due to the 100mm of side armor... and your frontal hull is amazing

angled, even a IS-3 will struggle to pen your lower plate, he will need gold to pen the lower plate when well angled. 

 

the only problems of the 112, is the horrible gun handling and low DPM...

 

but if the 112 had a good gun would be just as good as 113, one of the best tier X's in my opinion

 

so... seriously, try to squeze the 122mm gun because the gun works... its pen is more than capable of doing damage at tier 8...

 

the 112 is an absolute monster when top tier, tier 7 and 6 tanks, have absolutly no chances vs 112.

You are right and wrong in what you said 

 

I have 112 with 200 games+ , 2 marks and 58% winrate , sure the tank is def not bad but the penetration is very bad , 250mm HEAT bounce a lot against tier 9 heavies , u can't pen e75/ vk P lower plate , you can't pen STI at all in front , and against tier 8 ht's , defender seem to have 50% chance of penning it lower plate with heat , same stuff with Chrysler , only way to pen liberate is by shooting it hatch , good luck with that trololo gun handling 

 

All in all I'd say 112 is not good due to MM changes , before MM it was a beast , now u see t9 most the time or against full 15 t8 players filled with defenders and skorpion"s 

 

112 credit probability is beyond garbage due to low pen + beyond terrible gun handling + poor DPM  , u miss half the shots , bounce the other half 

 


Edited by scorpiontank1, 06 September 2017 - 12:37 PM.


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View Postscorpiontank1, on 06 September 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

You are right and wrong in what you said 

 

I have 112 with 200 games+ , 2 marks and 58% winrate , sure the tank is def not bad but the penetration is very bad , 250mm HEAT bounce a lot against tier 9 heavies , u can't pen e75/ vk P lower plate , you can't pen STI at all in front , and against tier 8 ht's , defender seem to have 50% chance of penning it lower plate with heat , same stuff with Chrysler , only way to pen liberate is by shooting it hatch , good luck with that trololo gun handling 

 

All in all I'd say 112 is not good due to MM changes , before MM it was a beast , now u see t9 most the time or against full 15 t8 players filled with defenders and skorpion"s 

 

112 credit probability is beyond garbage due to low pen + beyond terrible gun handling + poor DPM  , u miss half the shots , bounce the other half 

 

 

cant pen st-i from the front with 250 heat when the lfp is 180 effective? You might be doing something wrong.

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 September 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

112 has worst penetration u just need to spam huge amount of gold i think it need penetration buff!

Lol, at least it can deal damage to equal/higher tier tanks with it's gold HEAT rounds, whereas the gold APCR rounds the Soviet tanks like the IS-6 and KV-122 have just bounce off the weak spots of equal tier tanks because they have worse pen then other tanks standard rounds lol.

 

For the record I am not saying the 112 doesn't need a pen buff, I'm just pointing out it's in a better position than most of the 175 pen 122mm tanks as it actually has useful gold rounds.



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View PostRati_Festa, on 06 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

The 113 is one of the best t10 tanks???????

 

I don't think I've seen one yet in grand battles, played about 20 matches so that's 1200 players and I don't recall seeing one.

 

The 112 is fine unless it has to engage the new prems, then its meh... I agree IS6 is worse.

I actually used mine in grand battle a couple of times.

And I enjoyed it thoroughly even though I suck in the tank.

Tho I don't see why this should matter if you see tank x in grand battles or not. Might be me. 


Edited by DuncaN_101, 06 September 2017 - 01:43 PM.


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View Postscorpiontank1, on 06 September 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

You are right and wrong in what you said 

 

I have 112 with 200 games+ , 2 marks and 58% winrate , sure the tank is def not bad but the penetration is very bad , 250mm HEAT bounce a lot against tier 9 heavies , u can't pen e75/ vk P lower plate , you can't pen STI at all in front , and against tier 8 ht's , defender seem to have 50% chance of penning it lower plate with heat , same stuff with Chrysler , only way to pen liberate is by shooting it hatch , good luck with that trololo gun handling 

 

All in all I'd say 112 is not good due to MM changes , before MM it was a beast , now u see t9 most the time or against full 15 t8 players filled with defenders and skorpion"s 

 

112 credit probability is beyond garbage due to low pen + beyond terrible gun handling + poor DPM  , u miss half the shots , bounce the other half 

 

 


You must be doing something very wrong...

 

first of all to penetrate the lower plate of the ST-I you dont even need heat, the 175mm of penetration you get on the AP are enough to pen the ST-I lower plate

 

the VK 100 P can pe be penetrated in the turret with the heat 250 quite easly, just aim the checks of the turret or his commander hatch and you will pen it all day...

 

Heat doesnt work well vs tracks or non flat surfaces... so when you hit sloped areas taht are angled your likely to not pen... but the still, is way better than the 217mm you get on the apcr rounds of the IS-6, that wont pen the E75 front at all,

 

i like the 112 and its a fun tank to play, like i said previously, the hull is excelent, way better than per example the IS-3 hull...

even tier 9 heavies will have trouble penetrating your hulll

 

the gun is meh, no one said the oposite, but like i said, if it had a better gun would a completely overpowered machine

 

if you compare the 112, with the WZ 111 A4 wich is quite good at tier 9, the hull of the 112 is much superior, and you get similar turret

the main difference is the gun and the slightly better mobility the WZ 111 A4 gets... without doubt the 112 gun is not great, but the tank armor is quite OP for tier 8

you get a tank similar to an IS-3 turret wise, but unlike the IS-3/IS-6 you can sidescrape much better...your hull armor works...

 

View PostRati_Festa, on 06 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

The 113 is one of the best t10 tanks???????

 

I don't think I've seen one yet in grand battles, played about 20 matches so that's 1200 players and I don't recall seeing one.

 

The 112 is fine unless it has to engage the new prems, then its meh... I agree IS6 is worse.

 

Yes it is...

 

you get mobility almost as good as a medium tank, 440 alpha damage with a gun handling similar to a medium tnak

and your hull and turret armor iis good enough to brawl in safety

 

you get better DPM than most of tier X heavies, better gun handling, better mobility... 

 

i see unicorns playing the 113 in spectacular ways... perhaps its not the most noobish friendly tank, but it certainly OP in the right hands....

 

 


 

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View PostKillingJoker, on 06 September 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

 you get heat 250mm of penetration that is more than capable of dealing with any tier IX,

 

 

 

Which bounces more often than not even on a flat side.



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View PostCeeb, on 06 September 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

 

Which bounces more often than not even on a flat side.

 

because probably you hit the tracks, and the tracks count as spaced armor... Heat doesnt like spaced armor, when you fire heat it explodes in the spaced armor and doesnt 

penetrate the part behind it...

 

thats why! 



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Yes it needs a pen buff.

 

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tajj7 #16 Posted 06 September 2017 - 05:03 PM

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Meanwhile the T-54 proto got a massive load of buffs and it's AP pen is only 190, it sees tier 10, has worse armour in every way than the 112 and is 1 kph SLOWER than a 112. 250 HEAT pen is also higher than the 240 APCR the proto sees, again having to face tier 10s.

 

So in a word no. 

 

 



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View PostKillingJoker, on 06 September 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

 

because probably you hit the tracks, and the tracks count as spaced armor... Heat doesnt like spaced armor, when you fire heat it explodes in the spaced armor and doesnt 

penetrate the part behind it...

 

thats why! 

 

Yeah.  But.  Its not my first time in the tank 



hasnainrakha57 #18 Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:48 PM

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175mm is not for tier 8s and sometime its performs bad for tier 7 i mean the is is2 and others.Look i am not one of those guys having 90kgold in garage millions of credits and 365 days premium all tier tanks are loaded with premium ammo dosent even bother to aim at weakspots in match coz using gold ammo and having 3k wn8. .  .  .  I AM ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT HARDLY GETS 1 PREMIUM TANK A YEAR JUST TO GET SILVER NOT EVEN FOR FUN,0 GOLD IN GARAGE,ONLY 50K SILVER AND NOT EVEN PREMIUM ACCOUNT.SO HOW I MAKE CREDITS WHEN SPAMMING GOLD AMMO? .  .  .  .  .  .  .  ITS JUST CLEAR PAY TO WIN GAME! NOW U UNDERSTAND WHY IT NEEDS PENETRATION BUFF DUMMIES?

Avtonom #19 Posted 06 September 2017 - 07:14 PM

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lots of inadequate people saying that 175 pen is enough for smm in today's MM reality - NO, its not enough, it needs a pen of 200 at least, not 230 like in many new OP premiums or 225 like in regular tier 8 heavies, but at least 200, cause 175 is WAY TOO LOW for any heavy even at tier 8  

 

P.S. when developers nerfed ISU 152 they said its gun will have a "slight" decrease in penetration - well, if minus 26 is a slight change than why not increase pen of all outdated guns at tier 8 from 175 to 200?? Same slight 25 points change


Edited by Avtonom, 06 September 2017 - 07:18 PM.


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View PostKillingJoker, on 06 September 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

Yes it is...

 

you get mobility almost as good as a medium tank, 440 alpha damage with a gun handling similar to a medium tnak

and your hull and turret armor iis good enough to brawl in safety

 

you get better DPM than most of tier X heavies, better gun handling, better mobility... 

 

i see unicorns playing the 113 in spectacular ways... perhaps its not the most noobish friendly tank, but it certainly OP in the right hands....

 

 

 

Just cos you see the odd unicom using them ( and that's pretty rare ) doesn't mean its the best t10 heavy. It quite clearly isn't as you would see it more in game, the grind up to it isn't hard/difficult there isn't a reason other than its sub standard that you don't see it in game that often. Deluding yourself a tank is OP because unicoms use them on occasion and ignoring the fact they as nearly as rare as FV4005 in game is your choice I suppose, but its not true. I've driven the 113, is4, is7, e100, British t10 heavy the FVb thing and the new WZ111-5a and its the worst of those 6 by a margin, id actually prefer to be in a t10 ten game as the only t9 in the wz114 than the crappy 113. 




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