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hedgehog_s #1 Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:13 AM

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Which tanks do you are useless and why; which need a rethink ??

 

 

For me at the moment its the Tier 7 Leo. No armour, huge target, OK speed and a choice of two useless guns. So you pick the high alpha gun - terrible pen or you pick the high ROF gun - terrible pen - Tier 6 firefly has higher pen than these guns. Today get out shot by comet whose turret i bounce twice - he doesnt bounce on me - and fire APCR at tiger P for multiple bounces. Great tank WG - useless beyond words and nearly always in tier 9 matches.



GalmTwo #2 Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:15 AM

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The Chinese T8 heavy, the Czech T8 medium, Tiger II, KV-4... wierdly, many tier 8s.

Hedgehog1963 #3 Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:29 AM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 08 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

Which tanks do you are useless and why; which need a rethink ??

 

 

For me at the moment its the Tier 7 Leo. No armour, huge target, OK speed and a choice of two useless guns. So you pick the high alpha gun - terrible pen or you pick the high ROF gun - terrible pen - Tier 6 firefly has higher pen than these guns. Today get out shot by comet whose turret i bounce twice - he doesnt bounce on me - and fire APCR at tiger P for multiple bounces. Great tank WG - useless beyond words and nearly always in tier 9 matches.

 

Didn't like it at all.  Even worse than the T-34-100 from the Czech line.

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Overturned tanks are useless.

Eaglax #5 Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:33 AM

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many old prem tanks, like the IS-6 or Type 59. They were good once, but now are completely useless, especially compared to new prem tanks. Not even their special MM is worth much nowadays

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Churchill VII - might be the worst tank in the game: crappy gun for a T6 heavy, horrible mobility, no gun-depression, armor only good on paper (20mm roof is overmatched by everything, mid-plate is very week, you can shoot the inside-drivewheel if the tank is angled just one bit). DPM is the best aspect of that thing, and even that is only average at best, not to mention that you can never exploit it in the first place.

Dragonlordcv #7 Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:02 AM

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All Tier 8 are useless since new MM is so balanced

CoDiGGo #8 Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:20 AM

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Leo: crap guns

T28prot: cant snipe, armor dont work and slow

Caercrap: very weak gun, slow, big, roof weak spot

A44: crap gun and bad platform

Chiri: low pen, big, paper

KV4: armor doesnt work in gold spam meta, big, cupola weak spot

LTTB, batchat 12t, Bulldog: low pen, low alpha, low hp

 

PMM tanks: in new mm face tier 8-9 almost every game with underpowered guns



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subjectively players are going to have tanks that they do not get on with, and yet the rest of the player base does alright in them.

 

I suggest you look at this mathematical rating;

 

http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1

 

of the tanks players mentioned above

 

Swedish Leo = 0.22507564879756306

Chinese 110 = -1.7559010342096828,

Tiger II = -1.9265839306067785

czech T34-100 = 0.733419680186615

KV4 = -1.4970354444514173

IS6 = 0.40693199628625537

Type 59 = 0.14588060496838626

Churchill VII = -0.1178694554339305

 

The three with the negative numbers are in brown.  (I would have used red for negatives, but I am aware that it is against forum rules to use red text). So they are the worst of that bunch.



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View PostCoDiGGo, on 08 September 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

 

T28prot: cant snipe, armor dont work and slow

 

 

When was the last time you played it?

I finished grinding it about a month ago, since the buff it is actually very good, easily one of the better tier 8 TDs imo. It would have been a keeper of I didn't need the crew, it's not too slow anymore. If you stick with the heavies/slightly behind them it is excellent.



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Tier 4 US M5 Stuart. Gun buff pls! Low pen + bad dispersion after first shot + pretty long reload time = passive scouting only or late in game arty hunter

Tilly042 #12 Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

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All of them.  Why?  Because I am utterly rubbish in any tank and usually extremely drunk :)

 



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We all have our bogey tanks. Personally like the Leo a lot! Don't have that many with 2 marks but that's one of them. AMX 50B is the tank I want to love but can't play and one that other players couldn't live without. Comes down to personal preference and subjective projections.

T34-2 is factually crap, no denying that regardless which gun you go for you're left with a bad T44 or bad T34-3 without pref MM.

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View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

Overturned tanks are useless.

 

Drown tanks in less than 20 sec after start on Erlenberg!

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View Postxtram3x, on 08 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

When was the last time you played it?

I finished grinding it about a month ago, since the buff it is actually very good, easily one of the better tier 8 TDs imo. It would have been a keeper of I didn't need the crew, it's not too slow anymore. If you stick with the heavies/slightly behind them it is excellent.

 

I forgot to add:, big, side big like a wall and paper, turn like a whale easy flanked. Its just my opinion, but I am sure its not "very good" not even "good".

 

Its not a TD, its not a heavy, its a TD-HT, bad td and bad slow heavy, only useful vs noobs



hedgehog_s #16 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:30 AM

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Wow another Hedgehog !!

 

I disagree with 2 mentions - T28 proto and BC12T both are favourites of mine both with barrel marks - i think BC12T is probably best tier 8 scout.



Balc0ra #17 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:27 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 08 September 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

Which tanks do you are useless and why; which need a rethink ??

 

 

For me at the moment its the Tier 7 Leo. No armour, huge target, OK speed and a choice of two useless guns. So you pick the high alpha gun - terrible pen or you pick the high ROF gun - terrible pen - Tier 6 firefly has higher pen than these guns. Today get out shot by comet whose turret i bounce twice - he doesnt bounce on me - and fire APCR at tiger P for multiple bounces. Great tank WG - useless beyond words and nearly always in tier 9 matches.

 

I actually love the Tier 7 Leo. Sure it lacks armor, but the speed and camo combo have given me plenty of 6K combined games, and I prefer the high alpha gun, as the damage scares most back. As the 76mm basically makes it a Comet with no turret armor and less dpm. So then you really won't win any 1 on 1's.

 

But for me so far.. the tank on the top of my list is getting buffed soon, with a new gun even. So I'm not gonna say the Challenger. But the new tier 6 Chinese TD has taken the throne as the worst tank in the game for me. It's basically like the TVP on tier 8. It lacks the ability to carry, even as top tier. No mobility, no armor, no dpm, no speed, no accuracy. Heck even the SU-100 with the 122mm has more dpm, mobility and armor then this with the 100mm gun. So I tossed the 85mm back on again to get Nashorn like DPM... less pen, but it works. And.. I have a 4 skill crew in it. So it must really be nasty with a 75% crew.

 

 

 

View Postundutchable80, on 08 September 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

Tier 4 US M5 Stuart. Gun buff pls! Low pen + bad dispersion after first shot + pretty long reload time = passive scouting only or late in game arty hunter

 

I'm amazed that has not been buffed yet. Vs the Chinese M5 it's nothing. That gun can't even pen most tier III tanks

 

View PostCoDiGGo, on 08 September 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Caercrap: very weak gun, slow, big, roof weak spot

 

Well at least that's getting buffed with a 32 pdr gun and 1000 more dpm. And a new turret... again.



Rati_Festa #18 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:46 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Overturned tanks are useless.

 

No they aren't, I usually hide behind them and take shots at the enemy :) 
 

The Tiger II is truly awful, the 110 and KV4 aren't that bad I've had both and thought they were quite usable.

 

The british TD lines have some really Edited vehicles. Archer is very hard to play well in, even with top gun. The Black Prince and Churchills aren't really poor in the current meta, I actually feel sorry for people when I see them and shoot at other enemies if they are available.

 

A lot of the mid tier heavies are poor in the current Meta when they are faced up against auto loader lights at the same tier.

 

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing.

 


 

Edited by Rati_Festa, 12 September 2017 - 12:20 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 08 September 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

I'm amazed that [M5 Stuart]  has not been buffed yet. Vs the Chinese M5 it's nothing. That gun can't even pen most tier III tanks

 

Yeah I would be happy if they equaled the gun to the Chinese M5. I get the impression though that WG are mostly focused at T7-T10 adjustments, so I will continue to either find bush, park and go for a smoke, or see how long I can not touch my mouse and just drive around active spotting lol

Zoggo_ #20 Posted 08 September 2017 - 01:12 PM

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The new mm means tier 5 doesn't see tier 3 anymore, so all tier 5 tanks with sub 100mm pen useless without using stupid amount of premium ammo (and that is no guarantee ). 

T14, KV-220-2, Matilda IV, Excelsior, add to that all have awful gun handling.  Good luck against an O-I.

 







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