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I think STG sales (or rather lack thereof) will be an eye-opener to WG


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qpranger #1 Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:10 AM

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Not saying that this is a bad tank, in fact it seems quite balanced. And that is the problem because players have gotten used to borderline OP premiums recently, so they won't be buying the STG a lot. Even in Russia, I read the RU cluster forum and the general sentiment is "meh". 

 

So the poor sales of the STG will be something of a moral crossroads for WG: start churning out borderline OP premiums again like there is no tomorrow or sit down for a long hard and uncomfortable think about the future.



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WG took a wrong step in the past and even now , premium tanks should never be INFERIOR or SUPERIOR to normal tanks in their tier , for example why t34 should be so shitty compared to is-3 ? or right now obj 416 is 10 times better than STG in every aspect , every premium tank should be competitive against their standard counterparts.

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I am not really into the Soviet tech tree, but in my opinion if WG is faced with a choice between OP premiums and "a long, hard and uncomfortable think about the future" they will choose the former. No contest. The primary objective of (most) any organization is survival.

 

On the other hand.... the question might be asked what the WOT playing population will do if WG continue on the OP premium track. What I am thinking is that in the short to medium term it will boost sales / keep sales high. But will there come a point at which the number of players that give up the game starts declining such that WG takes notice?

 

Or, has that point already arrived and this balanced premium tank is WG's answer? Perhaps it is a question of going "cold turkey": it will be painful for WG for a while because of the "meh" sentiment, but eventually things will balance out. Of course for that to work they must not put the old OP premiums back up on sale again... ever. And we all know how that works (*cough* Christmas *cough*).

 

Sorry for the long winded post.

 

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View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

 

So the poor sales of the STG will be something of a moral crossroads for WG: start churning out borderline OP premiums again like there is no tomorrow or sit down for a long hard and uncomfortable think about the future.

 

I can tell you they will go for the former because the latter would mean making slightly less profit but creating a more balanced game.

 

It's telling that a tank that was considered fairly balanced is now received with a "meh" reaction.

 

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View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Not saying that this is a bad tank, in fact it seems quite balanced. And that is the problem because players have gotten used to borderline OP premiums recently, so they won't be buying the STG a lot. Even in Russia, I read the RU cluster forum and the general sentiment is "meh". 

 

So the poor sales of the STG will be something of a moral crossroads for WG: start churning out borderline OP premiums again like there is no tomorrow or sit down for a long hard and uncomfortable think about the future.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 08 September 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

 

I can tell you they will go for the former because the latter would mean making slightly less profit but creating a more balanced game.

 

It's telling that a tank that was considered fairly balanced is now received with a "meh" reaction.

 

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Shouldnt a balanced tnak be received with a meh reaction?  'Meh' means its not bad, not great, jsut average.

qpranger #7 Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:51 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 September 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

 

Shouldnt a balanced tnak be received with a meh reaction?  'Meh' means its not bad, not great, jsut average.

 

Yes but "meh" aimed at a premium tank translates into "will not buy" :)

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View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

 

Yes but "meh" aimed at a premium tank translates into "will not buy" :)

At least if it's the 15th premium medium of the same tech tree...



TankkiPoju #9 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:03 AM

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Why would people buy STG when WG just handed everyone a free T-34-85M.

 

Well, maybe tank collectors will. STG just seem to sacrifice awfully lot for that 390 alpha.

 

 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 September 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

 

Shouldnt a balanced tnak be received with a meh reaction?  'Meh' means its not bad, not great, jsut average.

 

Hmm yeah perhaps, I'd personally say a balanced tank needs to be good, like the STA-2 or Rev. A "meh" premium for me is the T-34-3 or T34.

 

But that is just personal opinion.

 

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Schepel #11 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:23 AM

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I think the bigger problem here is that there are just too many. Even a collector like myself is prone to think: I spent enough. This will have to wait.

Spurtung #12 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:30 AM

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View PostSirTogII, on 08 September 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View Postqpranger, on 08 September 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

 

Yes but "meh" aimed at a premium tank translates into "will not buy" :)

At least if it's the 15th premium medium of the same tech tree...

This, precisely.

 

When there are already 6 anyone could have have gotten before, a new one will only sell if it's 'wow' not 'meh'.

 

What would sell, even if balanced/meh:

- USSR SPG

- US TD

- US SPG

- UK SPG

- UK TD

- UK HT

- Sweden HT

- Germany SPG

- France SPG

- France TD

- France LT



Search_Warrant #13 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:33 AM

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Eye opener? FV4202 took how many long agonizing years till they gave a crap? they wont care. they just make the next premium and make it OP to make up for the lack of sales the previouse tank dident make.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 08 September 2017 - 11:33 AM.


Dr_ownape #14 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:39 AM

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well we are remember when prems were slightly worse than their main tree counterparts due to no grinding, more expensive, more credits and generally SMM. 

 

this is how they should still


Edited by Drownape, 08 September 2017 - 11:39 AM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

Shouldnt a balanced tnak be received with a meh reaction?  'Meh' means its not bad, not great, jsut average.

 

Every tank should be 'meh' imo.

And there was a time when all premiums where indeed 'meh'...

 



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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 08 September 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

WG took a wrong step in the past and even now , premium tanks should never be INFERIOR or SUPERIOR to normal tanks in their tier , for example why t34 should be so shitty compared to is-3 ? or right now obj 416 is 10 times better than STG in every aspect , every premium tank should be competitive against their standard counterparts.

 

isnt that the error wg made ?

 

the function of premium tanks was making crds and training crew not being competitive leave alone owning everything they meet

 

still dont get what they thought when they made the chrysler  with its 260mm of frontal armor without weakspots when most t10 tanks would even need their premium rounds to fight it even more if its angled

i mean just compare it to a is6 armor? speed? pen? dpm? you couldnt even think of them as the same tier...

 

and with such op/p2w stuff they stirred the greed of making the older premiums similar   while if they dd that they wouldnt sell new ones or would have to make them even more OP ... 

 

and who whould buy the next Op premium if they could expect that 2 month later the next again 20% stronger tank will be on sale ? with just patriot, defender, liberte and chrysler they awakened the mentality for p2w and buying OPness

 

 



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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 08 September 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

WG took a wrong step in the past and even now , premium tanks should never be INFERIOR or SUPERIOR to normal tanks in their tier , for example why t34 should be so shitty compared to is-3 ? or right now obj 416 is 10 times better than STG in every aspect , every premium tank should be competitive against their standard counterparts.

 

Considering this actually has more gun depression vs the T-34-3, and 2x more then the 416. And yes it's a rear turreted tank, but the forward hull distance is still half as short as the 416 before the front angle comes. So it's not really comparable to it tbh. It's more like a T-34-2 or T-44 vs the 416.  That and the 416 has turret traverse 75 degrees to each side, thus the insanely good camo value. This has a full 360 turret.

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Great, but where is it in the shop?

cmgamesro #19 Posted 08 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

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they need to release meh tanks, so OP tanks will remain OP so they can sell them again and again, just like E-25.

Edited by cmgamesro, 08 September 2017 - 01:06 PM.


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View PostSchepel, on 08 September 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

I think the bigger problem here is that there are just too many. Even a collector like myself is prone to think: I spent enough. This will have to wait.

 

Same here, there are just too many coming out. And I have 92 Premium tanks, but this is really too much.




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