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New incarnation of French tier 8 premium heavy tank: Somua SM

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Uebergewicht #1 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:21 AM

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Hardly a surprise, but Wargaming has another tier 8 premium tank in the works to go into sale soon. At least this one isn´t Russian.

 

 

Stats:

 

  • Tier: 8
  • HP: 1,450
  • Weight: 56t
  • Engine Power: 700hp
  • Power to Weight: 12.5 hp/t
  • Speed: +45/-20 kph
  • Turret Traverse: 27.1 deg/sec
  • Hull Traverse: 32 deg/sec
  • Terrain Resistance: 1,151/1,247/2,014
  • Turret Armor: 140/90/??mm
  • Hull Armor: 120/60/??mm
  • View Range: 370m
  • Signal Range: 782.1m

 

  • Gun: 100mm SA47
  • Damage: 300/300/400
  • Penetration: 232/263/50mm
  • DPM: 2001.2
  • Magazine Reload: 35.972 sec.
  • Per-Shot Reload: 2.25 sec.
  • Magazine Size: 5
  • Aim Time: 2.3 sec.
  • Accuracy: 0.384
  • Depression/Elevation: -10/+15 deg.

 

Source: https://ritastatusre...ats/#more-46728

 

 

Quick observations:

- exceptionally high penetration

- 1500 average clip damage (kills most same tiers)

- 10 degrees of gun depression, of course

- armor that might bounce a bit


Edited by Uebergewicht, 08 September 2017 - 12:16 PM.


Kartoshkaya #2 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:26 AM

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Tell me more about how op is defender when you see a tier 8 clip with 50% more damage than a T69 with only one more shoot.

Search_Warrant #3 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:41 AM

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50 100 replacement. kek. can we just remove emil1 now this thing exists?

qpranger #4 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:52 AM

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So the Lorr 40t has the same pen, damage and clip reload, but one shell less?

Edited, seriously? Oh yeah, they classify this one as "heavy". LOL gg WG.


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Uebergewicht #5 Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 08 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

can we just remove emil1 now this thing exists?

 

 

Interesting point. The Somua has better aim time, better intra-clip reload, better penetration, a whole shot more in the magazine and only 3 seconds more reload for that, better mobility, vastly better hull armor and noticeably more HP. The Emil only gets better accuracy, better turret armor and 2 degrees more of gun depression. At least according to this source, the stats on tanks.gg are noticeably different.



arthurwellsley #6 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:01 PM

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It's been on Super test a couple of times and the stats keep changing. Sure it will come, but it will come when the new french heavy tree comes, so probably not soonTM

Balc0ra #7 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:10 PM

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It's not new as such, it was first appeared what? 2 years ago and have been "leaked" a few times from super test. I'm amazed they are still testing it, as the only difference now is the DPM. Still had a 5 round mag the last time, but with a 41 sec reload vs the 50 100's 6 rounds on 47 seconds. So the DPM was 1600 before on it, that's actually lower then even the Lorr 40t or T69. Now it's 6 sec shorter. And since this lacks mobility and has armor vs the 50 100. The DPM should be higher IMO if they want it up front, as 1600 was a bit to low. But now you can argue that 2000 is a bit to high for a clip tank. As it's 300 more then the Emil and 50 100. But it's still just on Super Test, so not final.

 

View PostKartoshkaya, on 08 September 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

Tell me more about how op is defender when you see a tier 8 clip with 50% more damage than a T69 with only one more shoot.

 

It's actually 38% more. The 50 100 has 54% more vs the T69... So it won't make much of a difference for most tanks.  Tier 8 meds will die just as fast anyway from both clips.  And the T69 still has more dpm then a Defender.

Geno1isme #8 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:13 PM

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With those stas, it's a 50 100 with less clip potential and significantly worse mobilit but some armor and improved burst.

Previously (on tanks.gg) it had similar mobility but crappy burst potential (3.75s intra-clip reload and longer clip reload as well) and horrible 350m viewrange.

 

So sompletely open how it will turn out.



Uebergewicht #9 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:15 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 08 September 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

It's been on Super test a couple of times and the stats keep changing. Sure it will come, but it will come when the new french heavy tree comes, so probably not soonTM

 

I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification. I might change the title accordingly.

Gremlin182 #10 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:20 PM

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There may also at long last be a premium French TD on the way its been coded into the game for some time you can check it on tanks GG and QB DezGames and others have Youtube vids of it in action.

Hope that comes out first as it really is well overdue.

AMX Canon d'assaut 105

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/amx-cda-105

 

 


Edited by Gremlin182, 08 September 2017 - 12:21 PM.


Sams_Baneblade #11 Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:28 PM

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FFS they overbuffed it. This thing -before so mediocre-  now even powercreeps the Lorraine, while it is already known to be powerful.
At least, the Lorr still has stealth and speed on his side, but we can consider the 50 100 dead and buried.

 

If it is sold in its current form, I give up on this endless and lightning-fast powercreep.


Edited by Sams_Baneblade, 08 September 2017 - 12:42 PM.


leggasiini #12 Posted 08 September 2017 - 06:03 PM

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So it has very good all around armor and then a gun that can kill an IS-3 from full HP in 9 seconds

 

w a t

 

So essentially they fused EMIL I and AMX 50 100 together, mostly taking their best traits and then giving it steroids, with lower accuracy as "drawback"

 

And it has 230 pen

 

It seems extremely broken now



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View Postleggasiini, on 08 September 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

So it has very good all around armor and then a gun that can kill an IS-3 from full HP in 9 seconds

 

w a t

 

So essentially they fused EMIL I and AMX 50 100 together, mostly taking their best traits and then giving it steroids, with lower accuracy as "drawback"

 

And it has 230 pen

 

It seems extremely broken now

 

Super test stats. Changed twice prior to this or only once? Chance of being sold with present super test stats?

Enforcer1975 #14 Posted 08 September 2017 - 06:08 PM

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Thank you WG. More autoclickers that can take all your your hp away is all we need.

Derethim #15 Posted 08 September 2017 - 06:11 PM

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Overbuffed imo, no need for more premium french heavies

E280cdi #16 Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:27 PM

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Good tank! this will be my first trench prem tank !

qpranger #17 Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:33 PM

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View PostE280cdi, on 09 September 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Good tank! this will be my first trench prem tank !

 

Yeah, hide it in trench.

tajj7 #18 Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

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Why are people here saying this thing has 'armour'?  The UFP at full 10 gets to about 200 effective (but shoot the turret). On the flat the frontal hull is like 170 effective at best, but then the 50b has like 300 effective UFP, who shoots a 50b in the hull? The turret is at best maybe an auto-bounce on some parts. 

 

You can't overmatch the sides, apart from that it really has no more armour than the 50100, it might bounce some tier 6s and the odd tier 7. But then people should also notice that is has 12 hp/ton with the same ground resistances as the 50100 and a 45kph top speed, it is going to be a slug mobility wise. 

 

Nerf the DPM down a bit and it'll be fine, make the reload like 38-39s and you basically have a 50100 with one less shell that trades mobility for some ineffective armour and a slightly faster clip.  Unless the turret can do some special stuff with bouncing cos of the angles it doesn't look that impressive to me. 



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Now with video commentary by DezGamez.

 



ares354 #20 Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:54 PM

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-10 gun dep ofc, and crap Tgier 2 get -8 with crap turret armor. 

Next balanced HT tank, with new ideas from WG. Let GIVE all tank fake GUN DEPRESION! Coz why we should change maps, better is to add gun dep then fix MAPS. 





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