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Hyster #1 Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:21 PM

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just wondering / curious how people feel about being on peoples twitch stream or youtube vid when you never consented to it ??


is it a breach of privacy ??

should there be a tick box in the settings that will allow / disable you from being in a game with a streamer ?? (a setting for the streamer to say there streaming).

people making money from us with out our consent ??
should you be paid / compensated for participating in it ??

 

or is it a case of
"its a public game so you accepted that it could happen" (IE: in the T&C's)

 

what about a youtube vid from the game that mocks you for doing something bad / stupid ??
is that a form of cyber bullying ??


 



Cobra6 #2 Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:27 PM

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View PostHyster, on 08 September 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

 

what about a youtube vid from the game that mocks you for doing something bad / stupid ??
is that a form of cyber bullying ??


 

 

Don't do something bad or stupid? If you call people noobs and idiots in a match you accept the risk that someone will call you out on in publicly within the game.

If you play like an idiot there is nothing wrong with other people pointing that out.

 

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CmdRatScabies #3 Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:34 PM

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View PostHyster, on 08 September 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

just wondering / curious how people feel about being on peoples twitch stream or youtube vid when you never consented to it ??


is it a breach of privacy ??

should there be a tick box in the settings that will allow / disable you from being in a game with a streamer ?? (a setting for the streamer to say there streaming).

people making money from us with out our consent ??
should you be paid / compensated for participating in it ??

 

or is it a case of
"its a public game so you accepted that it could happen" (IE: in the T&C's)

 

what about a youtube vid from the game that mocks you for doing something bad / stupid ??
is that a form of cyber bullying ??


 

 

Often wondered that myself.  Occasionally you do see a Twitch streamer publicly humiliate a team mate, ridiculing stats etc. and you do wonder whether they leave themselves  open to action (if anyone can be arsed).

Balc0ra #4 Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:46 PM

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Even if there was a "setting", there is nothing preventing the replay to end up on anyone youtube channel. Or are you suggesting that twitch and youtube should pay everyone of the 29 other players in every single battle that comes when Circon plays 30 games a day on Twitch? And how much should you get payed for showing yourself yolo charging on his stream for 30 seconds? And if you yolo charge, everyone will call you an idiot. What's the difference if 29 people see it, vs 100 more on twitch? Don't make it less "stupid".

 

Then again it's like you having a RL setting not to appear on any surveillance cam you walk in front of. If you do something stupid on those. Some one can put it online, and earn revenue of it, and you can get a cent. Because you don't own the footage, even if you are in it. It's like saying every burglar should get payed for all the revenue the TV stations earn on showing a surveillance video of him stealing stuff. 

 

 



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 08 September 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

Often wondered that myself.  Occasionally you do see a Twitch streamer publicly humiliate a team mate, ridiculing stats etc. and you do wonder whether they leave themselves  open to action (if anyone can be arsed).

 

Many players take some of the Streamers as idles. How they behave in games as examples. I think youtube and game devs should be better judges of which type of game and the age group of their viewers. many I think setting some very bad examples on screen raging and insults, where some younger viewers think that make them cool. It can be funny at times, but it won't be funny if one of your kids copy those rage to show "how to be cool" etc...

AngelofAwe #6 Posted 08 September 2017 - 03:05 PM

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It's perfectly legal for somebody to take a picture of you in public without your consent so why would anybody care about this? 

CmdRatScabies #7 Posted 08 September 2017 - 03:07 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 08 September 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

Then again it's like you having a RL setting not to appear on any surveillance cam you walk in front of. If you do something stupid on those. Some one can put it online, and earn revenue of it, and you can get a cent. Because you don't own the footage, even if you are in it. It's like saying every burglar should get payed for all the revenue the TV stations earn on showing a surveillance video of him stealing stuff.

 

 

 

I think that's okay because you are in public - footage of you in private would not be okay.  Does playing WoT and other online games count as "public"?

jabster #8 Posted 08 September 2017 - 03:15 PM

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

It's perfectly legal for somebody to take a picture of you in public without your consent so why would anybody care about this? 

 

That really depends on where you live.



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 08 September 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Does playing WoT and other online games count as "public"?

 

Yes, definitely.

Eaglax #10 Posted 08 September 2017 - 03:16 PM

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privacy? you are a bit exaggerating imho. People can only see your nickname, nothing else, no real private data...and you are already showing this nickname to 29 people every battle, why would you care about being on a stream? :amazed:

there is something called "naming&shaming" which is forbidden here on the forum. Don't know about youtube/twitch but I really doubt that it is "forbidden"... I personally couldn't care less when a streamer thinks he has to attack me, it's not like random bobs wouldn't do that anyways after battles :)

 

View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

It's perfectly legal for somebody to take a picture of you in public without your consent so why would anybody care about this? 

depends on the country you are living in, there are many where it is forbidden.



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View Postjabster, on 08 September 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

That really depends on where you live.

 

Does it? Never heard of anywhere where you can't do it. Only of people who BELIEVE you can't take their pictures or videotape them without their consent. 

Excluding maybe north Korea and countries which have some insane laws on everything like Germany. But I wouldn't know. Just haven't heard of it. 

Edited by AngelofAwe, 08 September 2017 - 03:21 PM.


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View Postjabster, on 08 September 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

 

That really depends on where you live.

 

This is the correct answer. Laws in different countries about these matters, are different.

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

Does it? Never heard of anywhere where you can't do it. Only of people who BELIEVE you can't take their pictures or videotape them without their consent. 

Excluding maybe north Korea and countries which have some insane laws on everything like Germany. But I wouldn't know. Just haven't heard of it. 

 

As I know here in Hungary you need to ask person if you want to take a photo of him/her.

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

Does it? Never heard of anywhere where you can't do it. Only of people who BELIEVE you can't take their pictures or videotape them without their consent. 

Excluding maybe north Korea and countries which have some insane laws on everything like Germany. But I wouldn't know. Just haven't heard of it. 

 

I am afraid that you are mistaken.

Article 10 of the ECHR covers this rather broadly and Courts & Parliaments in different countries have slightly differeing interpretations.

France is actually more restrictive than say the UK although funnily enough;

https://www.theguard...sion-of-privacy

 

Also if a youtuber/streamer is rude about a teamate or belittles them how does that work with;

A right to privacy is explicitly stated under Article 12 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks



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In Sudan you need a permit for taking photos, regardless of what's in it.

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

Does it? Never heard of anywhere where you can't do it. Only of people who BELIEVE you can't take their pictures or videotape them without their consent. 

Excluding maybe north Korea and countries which have some insane laws on everything like Germany. But I wouldn't know. Just haven't heard of it. 

 

Take a trip to France as their laws are somewhat different to what you think is the norm.



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View Postjabster, on 08 September 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Take a trip to France as their laws are somewhat different to what you think is the norm.

 

Sounds like France is an "interesting" place.

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View Postalienslive, on 08 September 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

As I know here in Hungary you need to ask person if you want to take a photo of him/her.

 

Is that to avoid a legal suit or a smack in the face?

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 08 September 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

 

Sounds like France is an "interesting" place.

 

I think France has some very strong privacy laws to protect their politicians who are up to all sorts of stuff.

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View Postalienslive, on 08 September 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

 

As I know here in Hungary you need to ask person if you want to take a photo of him/her.

 

Hungary

In Hungary, from 15 March 2014 when the long-awaited Civil Code was published, the law re-stated what had been normal practice, namely, that a person had the right to refuse being photographed. However, implied consent exists: it is not illegal to photograph a person who does not actively object.






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