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Metalmangorlo #1 Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:56 AM

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IS7 AND WZ-111 5A have got 490 alpha damage, same pen, BUT THE ROLAD TIME on WZ is STUPID. It can be 8.86 with rammer, bia, food and vents. -2 sec as the IS7 reload. MAKE IT BALANCED.

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Sure, whenever you get IS7 balanced with an hatch to be shot when hulldown, we'll discuss this reload craziness.

AliceUnchained #3 Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

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Yes please, make all guns have the same damage, penetration, accuracy, aim time, dispersion (bloom) values, and reload. Ideally, make all vehicles exactly the same as well. Balance, da.

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 11 September 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

IS7 AND WZ-111 5A have got 490 alpha damage, same pen, BUT THE ROLAD TIME on WZ is STUPID. It can be 8.86 with rammer, bia, food and vents. -2 sec as the IS7 reload. MAKE IT BALANCED.

 

It is balanced, sicne the IS7 has much, much better armor.



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Oh yeah? Also the armor on IS7 is STUPID. 

How can you say that a tank is stupid just because of his ''ROLAD TIME'' ?

 

I think you are just being upset that in your only tier 10 tank - IS7, you get owned by some WZ1115A in a random.

WZ is paper compared to IS7, and have less hp and weakspots on the turret .



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View Postbrumbarr, on 11 September 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

It is balanced, sicne the IS7 has much, much better armor.

 

So reduce the reload time on the IS-7, improve the armor on the WZ-111, or decrease armor on the IS-7. Right?

laulaur #7 Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:11 AM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 11 September 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

So reduce the reload time on the IS-7, improve the armor on the WZ-111, or decrease armor on the IS-7. Right?

 

Too much work. Better make them like Tiger 131 and HT No.6....

Copy/paste is the best balancing tool.:trollface:



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I don't have 5A but it seem pretty good tank.

 

Hard to say seriously if it's better or worse than IS-7. IS-7 didnt need a buff, but WG buffed it anyway.



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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 11 September 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

IS7 AND WZ-111 5A have got 490 alpha damage, same pen, BUT THE ROLAD TIME on WZ is STUPID. It can be 8.86 with rammer, bia, food and vents. -2 sec as the IS7 reload. MAKE IT BALANCED.

 

I'd much rather the 5A kept it's DPM together with it's turret weakspot. That's where the IS-7 wins.

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View Postlaulaur, on 11 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Oh yeah? Also the armor on IS7 is STUPID. 

How can you say that a tank is stupid just because of his ''ROLAD TIME'' ?

 

I think you are just being upset that in your only tier 10 tank - IS7, you get owned by some WZ1115A in a random.

WZ is paper compared to IS7, and have less hp and weakspots on the turret .

 

Yeah. Armor is everything in this game. When you face a TYPE5 with derp gun, just the dpm matters. Nothing else. You should load premium, because the 250 wont be enough to an angled HE monkey. IS7 303 pen vs WZ 340 pen. IS7 premium pen is a joke. So WZ is the winner again. Gun dispersion better, terrain resistance better, Using gun depression (which is also better on WZ) the actual armour value abou 300mm on WZ. GG shoot on it with standard and hear "that was bounced". On tanks.gg you can see the effective armour is 300+mm and that so called "weakspot" is 340+ mm. If you have brain to use the extra gun depression. So WZ is overpowered in every way.

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 11 September 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

Yeah. Armor is everything in this game. When you face a TYPE5 with derp gun, just the dpm matters. Nothing else. You should load premium, because the 250 wont be enough to an angled HE monkey. IS7 303 pen vs WZ 340 pen. IS7 premium pen is a joke. So WZ is the winner again. Gun dispersion better, terrain resistance better, Using gun depression (which is also better on WZ) the actual armour value abou 300mm on WZ. GG shoot on it with standard and hear "that was bounced". On tanks.gg you can see the effective armour is 300+mm and that so called "weakspot" is 340+ mm. If you have brain to use the extra gun depression. So WZ is overpowered in every way.

This is how the WZ  5A sees the IS-7, when loading AP.

 

This is how the IS-7 sees the WZ 5A, when loading AP.

 

The images are exactly the same when WZ 5A loads HEAT and IS-7 loads APCR.

 

Armor is not relevant at all, right? :rolleyes:


Edited by Spurtung, 11 September 2017 - 12:03 PM.


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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 11 September 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

 

Yeah. Armor is everything in this game. When you face a TYPE5 with derp gun, just the dpm matters. Nothing else. You should load premium, because the 250 wont be enough to an angled HE monkey. IS7 303 pen vs WZ 340 pen. IS7 premium pen is a joke. So WZ is the winner again. Gun dispersion better, terrain resistance better, Using gun depression (which is also better on WZ) the actual armour value abou 300mm on WZ. GG shoot on it with standard and hear "that was bounced". On tanks.gg you can see the effective armour is 300+mm and that so called "weakspot" is 340+ mm. If you have brain to use the extra gun depression. So WZ is overpowered in every way.

 

 

WZ-111 5A

 

 

 

 

IS-7

 

 

Or the live collision models for them:

WZ-111 5A

 

 

IS-7


Edited by laulaur, 11 September 2017 - 12:06 PM.


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Please ignore my post, I'm just statpadding my post counter. Kind regards, shishx.

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View Postshishx_the_animal, on 11 September 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

Please ignore my post, I'm just statpadding my post counter. Kind regards, shishx.

 

What? You statpad even your post counter? :ohmy:

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View Postlaulaur, on 11 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

What? You statpad even your post counter? :ohmy:

 

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View Postlaulaur, on 11 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

What? You statpad even your post counter? :ohmy:

 

View Postshishx_the_animal, on 11 September 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

Everything can be padded if you're brave enough.
 

 

He statpads going to a bakery.

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Edited by Bora_BOOM, 11 September 2017 - 12:21 PM.


HundeWurst #17 Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:24 PM

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Did you know... The IS7 has MUCH better armor than the WZ in return, while the mobility of both tanks is practically identical one sacrifices gun stats for a lot more armor.

 

Yes the better/best players will do slightly better on the WZ since it has a higher skill cap (better gun for a lot less armor), however both tanks are balanced as they are.



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I was going to start a post highlighting how much the IS7 was better than the WZ 5A now. I own both and have a better crew in the WZ they have completely different play styles with the changes, the IS7's recent buff has left the WZ near useless in comparison in some situations. The last thing WG need to add is a buff to the IS7's dpm.

 

I was in a top tier match yesterday in IS7, ( 3/5/7 ) were I just basically pressed W and drove shooting yolo style at the enemy. I killed 4, took 2 damaging hits back and bounced about 4 k most of my victims/enemies were t8. Its buffs have made it like the Defender of its tier, half the enemy don't understand 'weak' points so are just auto aiming and failing badly. The WZ doesn't have that luxury at all, the front is so soft in comparison to IS7 you have to treat it more like a russian med.


Edited by Rati_Festa, 11 September 2017 - 12:37 PM.


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Could be worse you could be in the 215b which is significantly worse than both and has been majorly power crept over the years.  It used to have stand out DPM, gun handling and one of the higher HPs, now several other tanks have those features and it sits there with a LFP that is like 100 effective, paper sides and a bonfire for a hull. 

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Very hard to say which tank is better. IS-7's more armored and has extra 200HP but 5-A has better gun in every way and not to forget 330 pen with gold, while IS-7 has only 300. 

 

I like the 5A more even though the armor is very unreliable. 

 

Edit*: Actually 5A has 340 pen with HEAT which is insane. 


Edited by Enderman21, 11 September 2017 - 01:22 PM.





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