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Lentomies1 #1 Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:50 AM

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Hi!

 

As you know, preferential matchmaking premium tanks at tier 8 [KV-5, IS-6, 112 etc...] are useless, as they are always bottom tier and can't flght these new premium tanks/heavy tanks.

 

Everybody knows that the speciality of pref MM tanks was that they were almost always top tier and were fighting mostly againt tier 6-7 tanks.  As the MM changes, these tanks are now useless.

 

 

I came up with a solution!

Instead of buffing them,change their MM instead! Give every pref MM tank this MM: 70% of the time top tier, and when they are top tier, make it so that the enemy team has Pref MM tank in the top as well!

 

Example:

 

Team list:

 

KV-5

112

T-34-3

T29

IS

Comet

T-34-1

Type 62

KV-2

KV-85

Cromwell

Cromwell

Skoda T25

Nashorn

Ikv 65 II

 

VS- similiar team with also 3 top tier pref MM tanks

 

Also, pref MM tanks should be top tier 60-70% of the time (like it used to be)

 

Example:

 

Top tier: 60-70% of the time [3/5/7]

Bottom tier 25% of the time

All tier 8 tanks: 10% of the time

 


Edited by Asklepi0s, 12 September 2017 - 03:19 PM.
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Kozzy #2 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:26 AM

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This will never happen, although I would love to nuke scrubs all day long in my T34-3.  This would cause just as many tears at the lower tiers "OMG this new MM sucks, my Skoda T25 is never top tier I always get rekt by T34-3 players" etc etc...

 

Just get rid of +/-2mm, rebalance pref mm tanks, remove premium ammo, rebalance standard ammo. Job done.



arthurwellsley #3 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:44 AM

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Interesting solution, but not sure if the Match Maker could be easily made to implement a 70% rule for prefMM tanks.

 

There are three solutions for prefMM tanks.

(1) Re-work and balance them all individually. This will take time, and cost recources and money, but might lead to less customer complaints.

or

(2) Some form of quick and dirty mass new rule for all the prefMM tanks. Your 70% of all their battles must be top tier is one such example. Another might be just to drop them all one tier.

or

(3) The route WG used with the SuperPershing when it was radically changed. Offer customers their money back. Given the volume of prefMM tanks sold I deem this outcome highly unlikely.

 

The above are three possible solutions. The fourth option is not a solution, as it is merely do nothing and ignore them. Which is by far the cheapest option.

 

However, the issue for WG is how much "feedback" they are getting in their core market (RU server), about IS6 and KV5. I am assuming that those two tanks sold well on RU server. If the customer base is not moaning about those two on RU then WG are likely to ignore the prefMM tanks for as long as possible. If on RU there is alot of moaning about those two vehicles, then WG might offer a solution soonerTM rather than later.



Spurtung #4 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:04 AM

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Much more simple than any of this is to remove the PMM, and update the tanks to fit their current tier. Done.

Toni112007 #5 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:20 AM

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How about they give us option to exchange our useless premiums we have to something better?

Lentomies1 #6 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM

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View PostToni112007, on 12 September 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

How about they give us option to exchange our useless premiums we have to something better?

 

 

Well the only tank I would exchange my KV-5 to is the Defender.



Search_Warrant #7 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:27 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 12 September 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

This will never happen, although I would love to nuke scrubs all day long in my T34-3.  This would cause just as many tears at the lower tiers "OMG this new MM sucks, my Skoda T25 is never top tier I always get rekt by T34-3 players" etc etc...

 

Just get rid of +/-2mm, rebalance pref mm tanks, remove premium ammo, rebalance standard ammo. Job done.

 

Aint it like that anyways? if ur bottom tier you will get rekt by anything +2 above you. its always been that way.

Lentomies1 #8 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:28 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 12 September 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

This will never happen, although I would love to nuke scrubs all day long in my T34-3.  This would cause just as many tears at the lower tiers "OMG this new MM sucks, my Skoda T25 is never top tier I always get rekt by T34-3 players" etc etc...

 

Just get rid of +/-2mm, rebalance pref mm tanks, remove premium ammo, rebalance standard ammo. Job done.

 

Well, fighting against pref MM tanks with tier 6 tanks is far easier than fighting against something like a Defender or Liberte. I would far rather fight against KV-5 with my T-34-85M rather than a Defender/Liberte/Patriot



Noodl_ #9 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:30 AM

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Or just buff them a bit, like they did with the 112. 

 

Give the 122mms like 15 more pen

Boost the FCM's gun handling by quite a lot

 



Lentomies1 #10 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:32 AM

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View PostNoodl_, on 12 September 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Or just buff them a bit, like they did with the 112. 

 

Give the 122mms like 15 more pen

Boost the FCM's gun handling by quite a lot

 

 

People like me have bought the KV-5/IS-6 to play against tier 6-7 tanks like a idiot. I'm pretty sure that people would rather be top tier more often than play against tier 9 tanks 24/7.

Just my opinion.



Mr_Beefy #11 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:45 AM

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Best solution for Tier 8 PMM tanks is to buff them to tier 8 levels (current levels, not 3 year ago levels) of competitiveness, and give them standard T8 MM.

This will increase the amount of T8's in the MM, and give T8's a better chance for that rare treat, a same tier game 15 v 15.

 

EDIT:

KV5, IS6, 112, WZ111, T-34-3, Hype 59, Mutant,  All of these tanks can easily handle tier 10 MM if they are given one important tool.  A gun that can pen tier 10 weakspots (not click auto aim and then *itch about not penning) without having to resort to the Magic Skill button (hint, #2, or with some, #1 is default)

With the KV5, remove the R2D2 from the hitbox like was done with the turret ears of the T29, and give it a BL9 or Zis gun from KV4.  DONE.

With IS6 give it BL9. DONE.

With 112 and 111, give it the 100mm from the 110, DONE.

ETC.


Edited by Mr_Beefy, 12 September 2017 - 10:51 AM.


malachi6 #12 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:55 AM

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This suggestion is conclusive proof that the people who say WG are clueless, etc.  Have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.  Balancing tanks and the MM is ridiculously hard task.  I would not even know where to begin.  Hence I do not insult the intelligence of those that try to sort it.

Aikl #13 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:56 AM

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I like the idea - but it is kind of flawed. A major problem remains that if your KV-5 is matched against a Defender on the enemy team, you can't really do all that much. Making more special rules for tanks is probably a bad idea, the matchmaker probably struggles enough as it is. Maybe you could designate them 'special' matches where the only T8s allowed were the ones with PMM, or at least make them match between teams (the idea is that a KV-5 generally is worse than a Defender, Patriot or IS-3 for, I dare guess, an average player).

 

The main flaw remains that there likely aren't enough T6 tanks around.

 

I'll repeat myself again: The most effective solution remains to remove the darn PMM tanks from sale and buff them to proper T8 levels. Maybe it's a bit pay-2-win when you can get a well-performing T8 that doesn't see T10 matches, but removed from common sale it might not be that bad.

WG obviously intended to do that. Think about it, T26E5 as a T26E4 replacement, Liberte for FCM 50t, Defender for IS-6, Skorpion G for JT88 ...at some point someone had the right idea. Almost like someone got their hands on the moneymachine/balancing department and willfully screwed things up after the plans were layed out.

 

Honestly expected the plan to be like this:

  1. Remove PMM tanks from sale, citing difficulties with matchmaking and PMM
  2. Wait for some powercreep and/or messed-up matchmaking.
  3. One or two rounds of premium trade-in.
  4. Buff the PMM tanks into being competitive at T8
  5. Release them for 'special sale'
  6. ??? (Well, more like the sound of a cash register).
  7. Profit!

 

 

FWIW: PMM remains a huge asset, even for tanks that struggle in T8. Type 59 is bothersome to play nowadays, but even 60% T9 matches (and 40% single-tier T8) can be a good break from bottomfeeding against T10s. Removing PMM would be considered a nerf almost regardless.

 

Alternatively, let existing owners keep the PMM status, and keep selling them as a 'Black' version - because if WG does something like that, it's more than likely we'd get the Type 59G-effect - people teamkilling them left and right because they're jealous.


Edited by Aikl, 12 September 2017 - 10:59 AM.


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View PostAikl, on 12 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

 

I'll repeat myself again: The most effective solution remains to remove the darn PMM tanks from sale and buff them to proper T8 levels. Maybe it's a bit pay-2-win when you can get a well-performing T8 that doesn't see T10 matches, but removed from common sale it might not be that bad.

 

​Yes buff my KV-5 give it 200180/150 hull armor and 230/200/180 turret and give it a BL-10.

:trollface:


Edited by Lentomies1, 12 September 2017 - 11:46 AM.


Ceeb #15 Posted 12 September 2017 - 12:01 PM

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I would be happy if they buffed the 112 to current levels and remove it's SMM. At least I could use it,  SMM tanks are a thing of the past in the current MM at T8 In my opinion 

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostLentomies1, on 12 September 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

 

​Yes buff my KV-5 give it 200180/150 hull armor and 230/200/180 turret and give it a BL-10.

:trollface:

 

We know Wargaming, KV-5 is Russian, can be sold as a 'special offer', and a lot of new players are unlikely to already have one. Profit! :trollface:

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View PostLentomies1, on 12 September 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

 

People like me have bought the KV-5/IS-6 to play against tier 6-7 tanks like a idiot. I'm pretty sure that people would rather be top tier more often than play against tier 9 tanks 24/7.

Just my opinion.

 

People like you bought tanks thinking that they would be given some magical treatment, that YOU were get to play -2mm all the time in these tanks?  lol.  WG isn't the idiot here.  If EVERYONE wants to be top tier who is going to be the bottom tier in this ridiculous situation?

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View PostKozzy, on 12 September 2017 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

People like you bought tanks thinking that they would be given some magical treatment, that YOU were get to play -2mm all the time in these tanks?  lol.  WG isn't the idiot here.  If EVERYONE wants to be top tier who is going to be the bottom tier in this ridiculous situation?

 

If you can read, I said 60-70% of the time.

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View PostLentomies1, on 12 September 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Also, pref MM tanks should be top tier 60-70% of the time (like it used to be)

 

Example

Top tier: 60-70% of the time [3/5/7]

Bottom tier 25% of the time

All tier 8 tanks: 10% of the time

 

 

Here is the thing, most pref mm tanks like the IS-6 is a beast when top tier, and rather broken as it's DPM is better then even the IS-3 etc. But crap in a pure tier 8 game. So to be honest, it would ruin more the it would fix.

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View PostKozzy, on 12 September 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

People like you bought tanks thinking that they would be given some magical treatment, that YOU were get to play -2mm all the time in these tanks?  lol.  WG isn't the idiot here.  If EVERYONE wants to be top tier who is going to be the bottom tier in this ridiculous situation?

 

To be fair that's basically what WG was selling to players, better MM than a normal tank.




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