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Poll: What do you think about Foch? (123 members have cast votes)

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What do you think about Foch?

  1. I have Foch B, its a good tank. (34 votes [27.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.64%

  2. I have Foch B, its a mediocore/bad tank. (43 votes [34.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.96%

  3. I don't have Foch B, i think its a good tank. (34 votes [27.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.64%

  4. I don't have Foch B, i think its a mediocore/bad tank. (12 votes [9.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.76%

Should Foch B be reworked?

  1. Yes. (63 votes [51.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.22%

  2. No. (60 votes [48.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.78%

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JPKERR #1 Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:54 PM

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Let's recap - we have a TD that:

  • can't snipe thanks to accuracy and aim time comparable to JagdPanzer E 100 + penetration worse than medium tanks + bad camo
  • can't flank to overcome its penetration thanks to its size and mediocore acceleration/turn speed/gun traverse
  • can't brawl and stand still aiming for longer periods of time because of bad armor and absolutely gigantic weakspots even the worst players know to shoot

What was the point, really? Right now we have a machine that is pretty frustrating to play. Its an opportunist that rarely gets its opportunity to unload, usually some bad player who is alone or lets you permatrack him by exposing first wheel.

IMO Foch should receive choice of two guns (just like E 100):

  1. single shot 155mm comparable to Grille
  2. autoloaded 120mm with 4/5 shots that improves over Foch/AMX50 with accuracy and penetration. It could also be 3/4 shots with bigger damage, maybe 550 so its something between 400 and 750.

Some people said its OP because of 6x400 damage potential - it rarely gets to dish out so much damage though because Foch is such a poor platform. The only thing Foch B has is high burst damage that it will pretty much never get to use.

 

There is really no reason to use Foch B over T57/AMX50/Kranvagn since these tanks actually can make the low pen - low damage autoloaders work - either through their speed, depression or troll armor, but mostly because they have a damn turret and can drive around enemies to penetrate. T57 in fact has higher DPM (not by much) than Foch.

 

Foch on tier IX is amazing though, its borderline OP now.



soul3ater #2 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:04 PM

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it's trash.

 

thank god I've sold that piece of crap.



lord_chipmonk #3 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:05 PM

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Wow, before its release I remember all the "Foch B is the next WTFE100" threads...

Darius_B1bis #4 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:08 PM

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...from the cry of all who consider it a new version of WTE100 to a thread complaining about poor performances...be more balanced. It's a good tank, sometimes better than Foch 155, but still situational. 

JPKERR #5 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:09 PM

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View Postsoul3ater, on 12 September 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

it's trash.

 

thank god I've sold that piece of crap.

 

My only regret is putting some digital CW camo i had on it since i cant use it anywhere else know. Grinding Foch was absolutely amazing, i loved that tank after the rebalance. Buying Foch B i expected "Foch but B(etter)", oh how wrong i was. This autoloader just doesn't work at tier 10. And that amazing feel of struggling to penetrate tier 8 heavies (Defender etc.) at long range when they snapshot into your rangefinder.

T57 is just so much better than Foch B in almost every situation.



soul3ater #6 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:14 PM

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View PostJPKERR, on 12 September 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 

My only regret is putting some digital CW camo i had on it since i cant use it anywhere else know. Grinding Foch was absolutely amazing, i loved that tank after the rebalance. Buying Foch B i expected "Foch but B(etter)", oh how wrong i was. This autoloader just doesn't work at tier 10. And that amazing feel of struggling to penetrate tier 8 heavies (Defender etc.) at long range when they snapshot into your rangefinder.

T57 is just so much better than Foch B in almost every situation.

 

it's the most frustrating tank I have played in a while..you can't snipe because of bad pen and acc, you can't brawl because anyone with decent knowledge about weakness can shoot those two massive weakspots at the top of the tank. you hit 2-3 shots per clip and that's about it. 

 

they need to give people the option to transfer camo+equipment and not do it automatically. 



JPKERR #7 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:20 PM

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View PostDarius_B1bis, on 12 September 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

...from the cry of all who consider it a new version of WTE100 to a thread complaining about poor performances...be more balanced. It's a good tank, sometimes better than Foch 155, but still situational. 

Oh please, Waffen had 0.29 gun with 1.5 second aimtime, 270+ pen and 560 alpha when it was released, not to mention THE most important thing in autoloader tank - turret. WT could pop its rear around the wall and clip you with ease. For a time Waffen was THE most accurate tank in the game.



hajoittaja #8 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:26 PM

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Dont like it either. I spend half the game looking for the oppoturnity to unload my clip and watching my team die in the mean time, because being too unpatient gets punished hard. Or the flank I choose has only super heavies which I cant  touch. Doest help to play it with 80% crew and  no skills though.

Zodiac1960s #9 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:59 PM

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Lol

HunterXHunter8 #10 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:02 PM

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its decent

 

its neither Op or trash. just the middle ground. 



Bucifel #11 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:07 PM

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due to its penetration is a turd for me

i simply hate all gold dependant tanks



GalmTwo #12 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

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It's a breath of fresh air that this isn't another "Foch B is OP, new WTF E100".

roachex #13 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:39 PM

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Yep, I prefer F155 over F50B. As more I play I start to care less about significant DPM increase for F50B. It is so rare to pen all 6 shots, while I dont have issues to pen F155 shots. The clip cost 7k AP and

roachex #14 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:41 PM

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Forum ate my post.

In short - F50B eats money, F155 earns it.
No point playing F50B. Good WG let F155 as reward tank. Sad no mobility buff to platform.


Spurtung #15 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:14 PM

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It's funny because people went nuts grinding for the freebie.

Zodiac1960s #16 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:45 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 12 September 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

It's funny because people went nuts grinding for the freebie.

I'm sure most of the people grinding like crazy and wasting money/free xp on a tank they clearly had no interest in, will not even drive it more than a couple of times.  People are nuts. I had the free xp and a 100k on the tier eight. There is a reason I'm only at tier eight after all these years. 

Went for the a5 instead and I do not regret it one bit. 



Asghaad #17 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:51 PM

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i think what really kills it isnt pen or accuracy - you need some drawbacks for that 6 round clip, but its supposed to be assault in your face type of TD, except it doesnt have armor and especially MOBILITY to fill that role.

 

gold rounds pen nerf to 290ish

soft stats on suspension 1/1.10/1.6 or better or its old 1200hp engine back

traverse speed at least 40 deg/s

 

 

 

its supposed to be medium tank hunter, but other than some idiot sitting in front of it meds, lights, hell even heavies eat Foch alive at close range, because it turns like arty


Edited by Asghaad, 12 September 2017 - 10:51 PM.


Aikl #18 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:26 PM

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major improvement would be paying a literal blood price for contributing to the disease of WoTD. OP or not, broken or not, it's a matter of fact that spending half the game digging out three-four TDs out of their base isn't good gameplay.

 

Foch B gets the added bonus of that clip - which is pays relatively little for (save for pushing that '2' button). 



Darius_B1bis #19 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:32 PM

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View PostJPKERR, on 12 September 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Oh please, Waffen had 0.29 gun with 1.5 second aimtime, 270+ pen and 560 alpha when it was released, not to mention THE most important thing in autoloader tank - turret. WT could pop its rear around the wall and clip you with ease. For a time Waffen was THE most accurate tank in the game.

Sorry, but you didn't understand the meaning of my post. I wrote so many posts and opened threads to defend Foch B from the assault of who said that's OP. In these posts I said exactly the same you did, WTE100 had much more better stats than Foch B. However, I think that is not correct say that's trash: it has got qualities, for me is very situational.


Edited by Darius_B1bis, 12 September 2017 - 11:33 PM.


Tidal_Force #20 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:32 PM

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Foch B, perhaps, but rush B wins every tiem.




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