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happyal #1 Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:43 PM

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I see from the the Armored Patrol site, there is an Q&A posted that talks about WOT in general. And one of the interesting points is that WG are thinking about buying back some of the broken premium tanks.

 

https://thearmoredpa...nk-day-2017-qa/

 

"Some time ago Sergey Burkatovskiy (aka SerB) was confounded by introducing a one-tier spread in MM. Now it’s clear that introducing preferential matchmaking was a mistake. There are problems with some of those vehicles, but we’re readying them for a rebalance. Perhaps with some tanks, which will be unfit for rebalancing, we’ll propose a buyback."

 

Got me thinking about what I would do, or is there an easy answer, and I think the KV5 would make a decent tier 7 premium, if they buffed the pen a little.

 

I honestly can't see what they can do to make it a Tier 8 again, it needs a huge pen buff, the front weak point is huge and obvious, the rest of the armor means nothing to other tier 8's, never mind the tier 9's it sees in every battle. Anyone else got any ideas on how to make the KV5 work again?

 

What about other older premium Tier 8's that are past their best these days, how would you change them, or dare I say it, buy back?

 



Sams_Baneblade #2 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:15 PM

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Just... WHAT?
Even if nowadays it is obsolete, it is still a brick of armor. At Tier 7 it would be too strong, not even talking about a pen buff. The O-Ni has a more reliable front, but the KV-5 has twice thicker sides to angle and a gargantuous engine power. Imagine this monster rushing (so it protects its weakspots through panicking the ennemy) to ram Tier 5s.

Nooooooope.

Edited by Sams_Baneblade, 12 September 2017 - 09:22 PM.


denisdenikr #3 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:15 PM

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Yeah buff penetration of KV-5, leave that armor layout , leave that DPM, and put it down in tier 7... Nice suggestion (sarcasam)...

Balc0ra #4 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:19 PM

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That ramming tool as a tier 7?

 

Well lets wait and see what they decide to buff on it first. As we have zero clue what they want to do with it. Or if it keeps the limited MM at all.



fwhaatpiraat #5 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:40 PM

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The best way to balance this tank is by nerfing IS-3, Patriot, Defender, Skorpion G and such. WG is right that rebalancing this tank is really hard since some kv5 owners want to see the penetration buffed, some want the mm to stay the same, some want no change at all, etc. See the links below.

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/620905-tonys-100-games-kv-5-experiment-are-preferential-mm-tanks-dead-after-the-power-creep/

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/628874-kv-5-post-918-patch/

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/622667-time-to-buff-the-kv5-s-167-mm-penetration/
 

Introducing more power creep to counter the current power creep is just a shift of the problem, not a solution. I doubt that it is a smart idea to let this tank face tier 5 tanks btw.


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 12 September 2017 - 09:41 PM.


Enforcer1975 #6 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:50 PM

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Yep can't agree more to what the one above me wrote.

 

They have to rebalance the new tier 8 tanks that broke the balance in the first place and balance tier 9 and 10 to the tiers below it and stop buffing the crap out of the mid tiers to match the higher tiers because we will end up with the same unbalance we got now.



UrQuan #7 Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

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KV-5 at T7 would be the Ultimate ramming tank. It's already a battering ram at T8 that can do insane damage with it against low armored tanks. Put it at T7 and it would be able to 'oneshot' tanks by sheer ramming power.

Thing is, against most T8 tanks the KV-5 is still a nice tank, it just falls short when facing armored T9 tanks & heavy armored T8 tanks (VK 100 & Defender mainly), this counts for most T8 pref MM tanks imo (so yes, powercreeped). That said, the standard pen is inadequate these days, so I guess a pen buff is in order. 

 

The best fix would be fixing the T8 MM really, so T8 tanks in general don't have to face higher tiers in the large majority of their games


Edited by UrQuan, 12 September 2017 - 10:02 PM.


Homer_J #8 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:15 PM

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It was originally going to be tier 7 and I never understood it being released as tier 8.  What's more the Lowe was released at the the same time and at the same price.

 

It could be dropped to tier 7 with no need to offer a refund or even change it's price.  It would see tier 5 tanks, but it did when it was introduced so I don't see an issue with that either.



CaptainThunderWalker #9 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:17 PM

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What about giving the KV-5 the KV-4 gun and removing its Pref MM?

clixor #10 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:22 PM

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View PostCaptainThunderWalker, on 12 September 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

What about giving the KV-5 the KV-4 gun and removing its Pref MM?

 

Then it's exactly the KV-4 (except for speed and R2) as turret was made identical as KV4s before. But it's just about the only thing you can do to make it competitve other than giving it a 120mm gun which would totally ruin the KV-5s playstyle imo (in terms of accuracy and dpm).

Bordhaw #11 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:40 PM

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Block Quote

  • the balance department has undergone some some personal changes, especially at the higher echelons.
  • It’s really hard to rebalance old premium tanks. If you touch anything, there will be a ruckus, the biggest drama queens being the EU server. We wait for a moment where we can change the KV-5. It’s a tank which rebalance we regularly postpone.

 

 



CaptainThunderWalker #12 Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:48 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 12 September 2017 - 10:40 PM, said:

Quote!

 

 

Wait... personal changes?

Does that imply that the guy responsible for the Defender has been fired? :teethhappy:



Asghaad #13 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:06 PM

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sigh, just give it 100mm from mediums with 190mm AP pen and 247 APCR, keep the DPM as is and voila, KV5 still has low pen with high DPM gun but can handle all T9s including 252U

 

it still will be damage pinata for everyone , but at least it would be playable again



Pansenmann #14 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:35 PM

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Yeah, KV-5 could use some love, but NEVER change the tier spread of those speshul MM vehicles again! :izmena:

MyCom_Spitfire_ #15 Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:56 PM

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More pen, more turret armour thats it really.

Biggest issue is being unable to pen heavy tanks of the same tier8 with even APCR sometimes, and the huge turret being at 180mm just isnt enough to block shots anymore.

Standard pen to 198 and APCR inline with a normal tier8 heavy, fixed.



TankkiPoju #16 Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:59 AM

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"I think the KV5 would make a decent tier 7 premium, if they buffed the pen a little."

 

Oh god no. We don't need more seal clubbing devices in this game.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 13 September 2017 - 06:59 AM.


NervosCuNervii #17 Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:13 AM

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KV-5 is a credit sink in today's games. 167 pen is barely usable at tier 7, let alone 8. And the armor, while strong, has glaring weakpoints.

KV-5 is a relic of a tank that needs some substantial changes. None of which are compatible with the PMM it has, from my point of view.

tajj7 #18 Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:57 AM

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For 90% of the playerbase it's performing fine in the current meta -

 

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Which is why it's a tricky rebalance and why WG are taking a while with it, cos basically these limited MM heavies could be easily OP. Hell the IS6 used to be massively OP. 

 

It would be far too strong as a tier 7, without heavy nerfs which would probably make it unfun to play. 



Timewarp76 #19 Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:16 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 13 September 2017 - 08:57 AM, said:

For 90% of the playerbase it's performing fine in the current meta -

 

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Which is why it's a tricky rebalance and why WG are taking a while with it, cos basically these limited MM heavies could be easily OP. Hell the IS6 used to be massively OP.

 

It would be far too strong as a tier 7, without heavy nerfs which would probably make it unfun to play.

 

 This is some bs data if I've ever seen it. First most KV5 players are not even playing with the tank in the current meta, 167mm of penetration just doesn't work.  There are very few games if any that I can think of since the last two patches that you even see a KV5 in game so move along with the crap data dump.

 



NervosCuNervii #20 Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:22 AM

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The last KV-5 I've seen in a game was driven by QB. He got rekt while failing to pen the lower plate of a Super Pershing while shooting from below him and eventually getting killed by a Panther 8.8 after doing about 900 damage.

So yeah, players "might" do fine with KV-5's at the moment but the credit sink point still stands. You cannot keep a straight face and say that they are doing it by firing standard shells with 167 pen.

Edited by NervosCuNervii, 13 September 2017 - 09:23 AM.






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