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Beltalowda #1 Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:32 AM

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Two days ago I decided to activate my credit boosters and make some silver, while mostly playing T34 it was all going well, 100k+ profit every game so not too bad and then I said to my self let's try good old IS-6.

 

Oh boy what a wake up call it was, map Kharkov, enemy team with Jap super heavy, Chrysler GF and some other well armoured tanks. As a fortune has it, I am the one who meets Jap Super heavy and this Chrysler in the center of the map.

 

Since I refuse to pay 4k credits for 217 pen on those premium shells, I carry only AP and 11 HE with me, there was little to nothing I could do and if this Chrysler would not be so determined to kill me I would not be able to take him down with the help of my allies. I penned him only once and that was to his side everything else was just a waste of time.

 

I think WG should buff the base pen to 217 as it is the premium pen right now and give the premium ammo something around to 235, that would make this tank a lot more enjoyable to play. Get rid of the pref MM for this machine and just boost the pen a little bit for God sake. 

 

Do you guys enjoy your IS-6 or any other tier 8 with 175 pen ? Even if you do I think we can all agree that in this current meta, 175 base pen is just not enough. (at tier 8).



Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:35 AM

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175 pen wouldn't be bad if it had better apcr pen to compensate but even an increase to 190 isn't enough nowadays when even tier 8 meds can have as much as 225 standard pen and that isn't enough either on many tanks nowadays.

Kartoshkaya #3 Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:36 AM

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I still like it like it is. To me, it's a skilled based tank, you need to learn weakspots, learn how to position yourself to get good penetrating shoots. If they buff it, i'd rather take a speed buff instead.

Zodiac1960s #4 Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:45 AM

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Agree so damn much it hurts. 175 is bs with or without the not so special mm. It's crazy bad on those guns. No way you can depend on hitting weakspots whit those.

I stopped playing all of them.


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View PostKartoshkaya, on 12 September 2017 - 11:36 PM, said:

I still like it like it is. To me, it's a skilled based tank, you need to learn weakspots, learn how to position yourself to get good penetrating shoots. If they buff it, i'd rather take a speed buff instead.

 

You can try to play positioning game all day long, but there is always the time when you just have to go forward and face the enemy and with 175 pen, facing Chrysler, Defender, Liberte, etc is a hard thing to do. When you ran out of team mates and with 350 base view range, these engagements are pretty hard.

 

And to be honest, after 50k+ battles I think I do know weak spots on every tank so don't try to lecture me about these things mate.



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View PostKartoshkaya, on 13 September 2017 - 12:36 AM, said:

I still like it like it is. To me, it's a skilled based tank, you need to learn weakspots, learn how to position yourself to get good penetrating shoots. If they buff it, i'd rather take a speed buff instead.

Good luck with weakspot knowledge when your premium pen can only pen them on a very high rng roll. We already have that joke on certain japanese tanks. 

A speed buff would change how the tank is played, it's not a med but i'd still prefer more pen in world of corridors. 



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I said hello to you in-game yesterday, but you ignored me :(

 

Regarding the topic: https://thearmoredpa...nk-day-2017-qa/

 

View PostQ&A, said:

Some time ago Sergey Burkatovskiy (aka SerB) was confounded by introducing a one-tier spread in MM. Now it’s clear that introducing preferential matchmaking was a mistake. There are problems with some of those vehicles, but we’re readying them for a rebalance. Perhaps with some tanks, which will be unfit for rebalancing, we’ll propose a buyback.

So I guess they are looking at tanks like the IS-6, but will most likely take a while before anything actually happens.



Balc0ra #8 Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:12 AM

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Just go the medium line and steam roll that. Everyone knows you are useless on the HT line 9 out 10 games, so no one complains about it even. No point going the HT line when you know you can't pen 6 out 7 tanks there with gold ammo even.

 

It's getting buffed, or looked at soon. We just don't know how they will do it yet, or when. As they are talking about keeping or removing the limited MM on it. They said "in the next two patches" one patch ago. But now I suspect it will be done with the other Russian changes in two patches at least. As UK tanks is next patch. As they did talk about the IS-4 getting the same treatment as the 155 and FV215B got that I suspect might come with it.


Edited by Balc0ra, 13 September 2017 - 01:16 AM.


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You know what does cut it? 2k base dpm on a preff heavy. you want pen, you nerf something else (like DPM)

Edited by Search_Warrant, 13 September 2017 - 01:13 AM.


Balc0ra #10 Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:19 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 13 September 2017 - 01:13 AM, said:

You know what does cut it? 2k base dpm on a preff heavy. you want pen, you nerf something else (like DPM)

 

They did that on the STA-2. But the IS-6 is more or less on pair in terms of DPM as the IS-3A and T26E5, that has 46 and 55 more pen then it.

Edited by Balc0ra, 13 September 2017 - 01:32 AM.


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View PostSuedKAT, on 13 September 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

I said hello to you in-game yesterday, but you ignored me :(

 

Regarding the topic: https://thearmoredpa...nk-day-2017-qa/

 

So I guess they are looking at tanks like the IS-6, but will most likely take a while before anything actually happens.

 

Better late then never so Hello :)

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View PostBalc0ra, on 13 September 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

 

They did that on the STA-2. But the IS-6 is more or less on pair in terms of DPM as the IS-3A and T26E5, that has 46 and 55 more pen then it.

 

With full MM. you cant have none preff pen/dpm/troll armor and expect it to not get a nerf somewhere. 2k dpm is more than majority of none preff mediums (which has been bullsh** since the day is-6 came out)

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 13 September 2017 - 01:31 AM, said:

 

With full MM. you cant have none preff pen/dpm/troll armor and expect it to not get a nerf somewhere. 2k dpm is more than majority of none preff mediums (which has been bullsh** since the day is-6 came out)

 

Exactly. The meta has changed since the IS-6 came. And thus it needs to fit in it. Not just with pen alone. And since premiums won't get nerfed. It has to fit vs the tanks it will fight. No point buffing the pen, if the recent tier 8 HT's can still rape it on DPM alone, inc premiums.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 13 September 2017 - 12:33 AM, said:

 

Exactly. The meta has changed since the IS-6 came. And thus it needs to fit in it. Not just with pen alone. And since premiums won't get nerfed. It has to fit vs the tanks it will fight. No point buffing the pen, if the recent tier 8 HT's can still rape it on DPM alone, inc premiums.

 

Edit: 2k dpm is more than every other tier 8 heavy preff and none preff i believe. (besides patriot.)

Edited by Search_Warrant, 13 September 2017 - 01:40 AM.


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View PostTrewSx, on 13 September 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:

 

Better late then never so Hello :)

 

You might have missed it, you stood still at the spawn for quite a while, but at least you had a better match than I had, well that wasn't that hard to be fair since I missed all but one shoot...

Beltalowda #16 Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:15 AM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 13 September 2017 - 12:57 AM, said:

 

You might have missed it, you stood still at the spawn for quite a while, but at least you had a better match than I had, well that wasn't that hard to be fair since I missed all but one shoot...

 

Yeah that was Westfield, while in countdown my game froze and I had to restart the client.

Dundato #17 Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:26 AM

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hmm i got penned from a is6 in ma foch b thing and he snap shotted

Phobos4321 #18 Posted 13 September 2017 - 05:31 AM

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its sad but mostly you cant act as a heavy

T95, ST1, Vk4502b, E75  even worse chrysler etc they all gotthe pen. to hurt you while you lacks the pen. to hurt them (even with prem ammo) if you try to go for copulas - good luck

 

and your typical heavylines are about being hulldown or sidescrap so its rather unlikely someone starts to show you his side/back

than again even T-54s etc can give you a hard time penning tem while they load gold, snapshot you and land a rather sure damaging hit 



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175 pen for a tier VIII vehicle is not enough.

We know it.

Everyone knows it.

WG does not.

 



Phobos4321 #20 Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:01 AM

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well originally it was rather okish at least most tanks got weakspots you would work with

VK lower plate was weak for example and there wasnt that p2w tanks coming along without real weakspots

 

thinking of them most pen. buffs wont change anything  175mm, 200, or even 230mm wouldnt let you pen. the chryslers frontal armor even less if he know how to angle his tank and getting 300 pen. would be really unlikely

and getting 200ish pen  and let you fight T10 tanks seems to be a bad trade off imo







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