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xx984 #1 Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:52 PM

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If the FV gets buffed in the ways it says here what will be the point of the Mod 1? Fv will have better hull armour, mobility, gun depression, gun, and a better turret? Why even bother with the previous buffs to the Mod 1 if they will just buff the FV and make it better in almost every way apart from alpha damage? Makes no sense, but its War gaming so im not surprised :P Unless im completely missing something which if is the case please point it out.. 



cro001 #2 Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:53 PM

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It's just endless loop of buffs my man. Proper balancing is dead long ago.

GaryThomasBolton #3 Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:57 PM

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Well, the T-54 Mod 1 does have bouncy troll armour compared to the FV4202.

Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 14 September 2017 - 08:59 PM.


xx984 #4 Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:59 PM

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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 14 September 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

Well, the T-54 Mod 1 does have troll armour compared to the FV4202.

 

FV will be even more troll after this update..

AliceUnchained #5 Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:00 PM

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View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

Why even bother with the previous buffs to the Mod 1 if they will just buff the FV and make it better in almost every way apart from alpha damage?

 

Because there are far more Tier VIII (and other Tiers) to deal with for the Mod 1 than just the FV4202? You barely ever see this British premium Tier VIII, yet you make it out as if they're rivals only pitched against each-other and nothing else.

 

Still, just like cro001 I am of the opinion this buff mania is not the proper way to go. Not at all.

 

View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

FV will be even more troll after this update..

 

The hull armor buff is not needed in my opinion, but with the turret armor improved you can finally use hull down with it. Currently even Tier VI can just lol pen that turret without effort (or aiming), and dispersion bloom values on the FV are bad enough you need to actually sit still and aim.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 14 September 2017 - 09:02 PM.


GaryThomasBolton #6 Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:02 PM

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It's getting a turret buff, sure. Bul it an't getting any hull buff. I'm not saying the T-54 Mod 1 shouldn't get buffed in some way, but it isn't worse in every aspect than the FV4202. Not when shooting that tank front facing you, it'll kill an FV4202 1 v 1 front facing each other easy - I know because I tried doing it and that T-54 Mod 1 is quite strong armoured for a medium

Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 14 September 2017 - 09:03 PM.


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View PostAliceUnchained, on 14 September 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

 

Because there are far more Tier VIII (and other Tiers) to deal with for the Mod 1 than just the FV4202? You barely ever see this British premium Tier VIII, yet you make it out as if they're rivals only pitched against each-other and nothing else.

What im saying is, After buffing the mod 1 last patch, why just make this a Mod 1 but better? There is no reason to play the Mod 1 if you have this in your garage if this buff goes through, at least buffed in this way.



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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 14 September 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

It's getting a turret buff, sure. Bul it an't getting any hull buff. I'm not saying the T-54 Mod 1 shouldn't get buffed in some way, but it isn't worse in every aspect than the FV4202. Not when shooting that tank front facing you, it'll kill an FV4202 1 v 1 front facing each other easy - I know because I tried doing it and that T-54 Mod 1 is quite strong armoured for a medium

 

Was the hull buff canceled? 

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I'm of the same opinion as Alice and Cro00...

 

Buffing leads to more buffing. They are buffing these tier VIIIs so much that they can match the Tier IXs....Great....then the tier IX tanks get buffs....then they are too strong for the tier Xs and they also recieve buffs...

 

Powercreep cannot be fought with buffs...only nerfs.



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View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 09:02 PM, said:

What im saying is, After buffing the mod 1 last patch, why just make this a Mod 1 but better? There is no reason to play the Mod 1 if you have this in your garage if this buff goes through, at least buffed in this way.

 

Good look trying to squeeze your Soviet medium tank crew in that FV4202...

 

View PostRamRaid90, on 14 September 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

Buffing leads to more buffing. They are buffing these tier VIIIs so much that they can match the Tier IXs...

 

I foresee far more severe issues with Tier VII's having to deal with these new and improved Tier VIII's... Whenever they get matched together of course, as those chances seem to have diminished somewhat as of late...

 

 

 

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 14 September 2017 - 09:06 PM.


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View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

What im saying is, After buffing the mod 1 last patch, why just make this a Mod 1 but better? There is no reason to play the Mod 1 if you have this in your garage if this buff goes through, at least buffed in this way.

 

Just like there is no reason to play IS-3 when you have a defender?

 

Just like thereis no reason to play the Borsig when you have the Skorp?

 

Just like there is no reason to play the T-44 when you have the Mod. 1?

 

Just like there is no reason to play IS-7 when you have Object260?

 

Just like there is no reason to play the Centurion 1 when you have the FV4202?

 

etc, etc.


Edited by RamRaid90, 14 September 2017 - 09:07 PM.


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View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

 

Was the hull buff canceled? 

 

Far as I'm aware (but not sure), the buff to the FV is coming in the next patch

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 14 September 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

 

Good look trying to squeeze your Soviet medium tank crew in that FV4202...

 

Wouldnt need to, Cent AX almost has 8 skills :P But them im going to have to buy the FV4202 again :ohmy: this is all part of WarGamings plan! 

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You make it sound like the turret buffs the Russian meds got suddenly won't work anymore. Not like his 20 pounder can eat past your effective turret armor either. Nor did WG even say that only Russian meds can have turret armor. It's more or less the only thing some of the other British meds are good for if they use their max gun depression. So why not this one to? As when it came, WG listed that as one of the few good things about it. It's turret armor on a ridge line. To bad only tier 6 guns bounce of it when you use it like that now.

 

Then again it's still a super test buff and far from final. If enough of you whine on CT about it. I suspect they will "tone" it down like they did with the Swedish HT's.


Edited by Balc0ra, 14 September 2017 - 09:09 PM.


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View Postxx984, on 14 September 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Wouldnt need to, Cent AX almost has 8 skills 

 

Which I'm sure will come in handy for your Soviet medium tank crew... Missed the point have we?

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 14 September 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

To bad only tier 6 guns bounce of it when you use it like that now.

 

Heh, not always. And far less than you'd expect really. Although my most amusing (if you can call it that) experience was a Tier VII penetration to the turret, and then followed by a ricochet from a JagdTiger 12.8 cm right next to it...

 

Edit: Durr... Tier VII obviously, not Tier VI.


Edited by AliceUnchained, 15 September 2017 - 11:54 AM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 14 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

 

Just like there is no reason to play IS-3 when you have a defender...

 

Just like thereis no reason to play the Borsig when you have the Skorp?

 

Just like there is no reason to play the T-44 when you have the Mod. 1

 

Just like there is no reason to play IS-7 when you have T-10...

 

etc, etc.

IS-3 i never had a point to play anyway, always hated it :P Borsig is has alot better camo than the Skorpion afaik, T-44/T44-100 are proper mediums where as the Mod 1 is more of a heavy medium, and IS-7 is rather nice now since that was buffed. 

View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 14 September 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

 

Far as I'm aware (but not sure), the buff to the FV is coming in the next patch

 

 Well if it has then i guess this doesnt really matter then :P

View PostBalc0ra, on 14 September 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

You make it sound like the turret buffs the Russian meds got suddenly won't work anymore. Not like his 20 pounder can eat past your effective turret armor either. Nor did WG even say that only Russian meds can have turret armor. It's more or less the only thing some of the other British meds are good for if they use their max gun depression. So why not this one to? As when it came, WG listed that as one of the few good things about it. It's turret armor on a ridge line. To bad only tier 6 guns bounce of it when you use it like that now.

 

Then again it's still a super test buff and far from final. If enough of you whine on CT about it. I suspect they will "tone" it down like they did with the Swedish HT's.

 

 Thats not what im trying to say at all, But albeit i could of worded it better. What im trying to say is if the FV4202 gets the hull buffs and turret buffs as shown in the picture, there will not be much of a reason to play the Mod 1 apart from soviet  med training which can be done in other vehicles like the T-44-100, T-3485M. as the FV4202 will be able to do what the Mod 1 can.. but better due to its gun depression and penetration on its standard shells

 

 

 

 


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View PostAliceUnchained, on 14 September 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

 

Which I'm sure will come in handy for your Soviet medium tank crew... Missed the point have we?

 

 

Heh, not always. And far less than you'd expect really. Although my most amusing (if you can call it that) experience was a Tier VI penetration to the turret, and then followed by a ricochet from a JagdTiger 12.8 cm right next to it...

 

I have 4 soviet medium crews with all 5+ skills :hiding: Id rather use my T-44-100 and others to train my crews 

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btw,  those armour values are incorrect, they are without normalisation values. 

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What im trying to say is if the FV4202 gets the hull buffs and turret buffs as shown in the picture,

 

Hang on then, I forgot it was getting a slight hull buff, as well as the turret buff.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 14 September 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

btw,  those armour values are incorrect, they are without normalisation values. 

 

Hmm alright, Guess i should wait abit before my pitchfork comes out then :great:




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